You know Jon, that is probably the most one-sided and simple-minded post I have ever read.
Before you judge the Church for what it did a thousand years ago by your modern standards, go talk to a Jesuit preist. I'll bet he knows more about history, art, science, philosophy, mathematics, government, politics, other religions, and the interactions of each within the world we live in than anyone on this list ever will, and that he is happy to share his knowledge with anyone who wants to know. It blows my mind that you would say he belongs to an absolutely oppressive body that nukes innocent souls. To say the church is responsible for the actions of the US government is a non-sequitur and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what the church is and does. Those comments are completely irrational and clearly come from someone with an agenda. They are a disservice to the 2 billion christians in the world who keep things together enough so that the author of that book can publish his opinions. M -----Original Message----- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 3:18 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Peace Can Grow a 'Leaf' at a Time My current bathroom material is still "The History of Pi", and they mentioned the original crusade, and the accepting of Christianity. The book said, that while exactly why the "bloody tyrants" of the different nations accepted Christianity after the fall of Rome, the reason that it stuck around was due to the "unparalleled organization and iron discipline" and that once it was accepted, "their excecutioners saw to it that nothing else was allowed." It goes on to briefly describe the three major religions that became militant throughout history, mediaeval Christianity, mediaeval Islam, and Communism. Of all of them, Christianity was the most ruthless by far. Starting in the middle ages, and we all know who the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons is, on innocent civilians even. Yet when we look around the world today, which religion is dominant, which nation is dominant? Maybe not dominant numerically, but it's obvious the answer is Christianity (and it's relatives...), with much of it's power base in the US. Just another example, that the ruthless win in this world imho. If we look around though, who is acting the most ruthless now? I see the Palestinian Muslims killing innocent Israelis, and most Muslim nations supporting the cause. That's damn ruthless. Leaving actual reasons out of the equation, reasons don't mean jack to history books. Reason actually is probably the antithisis of power if you ask me (corporate America is a damn good example of that :)), and the Christians definitely followed that theory with their absolute persectution of anything scientific during the Middle Ages. So, can we allow someone to get away with being more ruthless than us? Especially if they control the oil supply. jon Howard Owens wrote: > There's a right wing talk show host in San Diego, a former mayor, Roger > Hedgecock. I happened to catch his show today ... he ranted about this very > subject ... something along the lines of (not quoting exactly): It's time > for another crusade. When you have a bunch of Muslim terrorists taking > captive our clergy (meaning all Christians) and desecrating one of > Christdom's most holy sites, it's time to take action." > > Just FYI, Michael. > > H. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:31 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Peace Can Grow a 'Leaf' at a Time > > > I'm just really tired and burned out from all of these articles that preach > moral equivalency. Most of them have little to do with morals and lots to do > with justification or fear. Justification for the murders (like the Saudi > article saying that its a holy right) and fear such as the deafening silence > from Christianity about armed terrorists holed up in a sacred site. I'm just > tired of it all. > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
