I think you have a poor understanding of "socialized" as well. Obama is radical on nothing. Obama only seems "radical" because of the hard lurch to the right ushered in under Regan and continued in the 20+ years since. Clinton was a slight reprieve from the rightward march to corporate fascism but by no means "liberal". He talked the talk early on with universal healthcare but we saw how quickly that got torpedoed. And that welfare gutting? An utterly cynical attempt to hold onto power. Shit like that is why I have such a deep and abiding loathing for the DLC.
I'd absolutely be ecstatic if he undid everything that Regan put in place, about damn time someone took that fascist zombie to task. But Obama isn't going to do that. You can project all your fears on Obama just like the people on the Left project all their hopes and desires on him. But you know what? He ain't gonna be either of those. He's working to try and solve the problems we have the best he can but he's no cultural or economic crusader. And he's positively conservative on the religion, security and foreign policy side. I like Obama but he's no savior...he just seems 1,000,000% better than anything we've had in a long long time. Judah On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Robert Munn <[email protected]> wrote: > > On foreign policy and security policy, he is a Centrist (I think of it more > as him being a pragmatist, because he knows he will be a one term president > if he fails to protect the country), as you have demonstrated. > > Say what you like, Obama is a radical Leftist on social policy. He is in the > process of undoing everything that has been done since Reagan to limit the > size of the federal government. He is setting the stage for fully socialized > healthcare. He is undoing the welfare reforms enacted under Clinton. He is > creating a tax and spend policy framework akin to the socialist economies of > Europe. He is taking a HUGE gamble that all of this stuff will pay off in > 2-3 years with big increases in productivityc, but as Europe's experiences > have demonstrated, higher taxes and spending leads to lower growth, not > higher growth. > > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Judah M wrote: > >> >> I think you don't know where the left is. Obama made a moderate lurch >> to the Center. He's still got lots and lots of room over on the left >> and I don't think he'll be heading there. Witness his continuation of >> the State Secrets Privilege defense in the illegal wiretapping case in >> the 9th Circuit Court and his continuation of third party rendition >> with only the promise of "we won't torture him, honest injun". His >> national health care proposal? Tepid at best. Where was the bold >> progressive policy in his stimulus bill, like an honest investment in >> a national rail infrastructure? Nowhere. >> >> Obama's no Leftist > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:290106 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
