I wasn't actually talking about Medicare at all, I guess you need to
read up on Wyden's health care proposals since he has been one of the
few Senators steadily working on health care reform over the last 10
years.

As for Medicare, well, which numbers are you talking about?

Here is this years annual Trustees Report Summary, which covers Social
Security and Medicare:
http://ssaonline.us/OACT/TRSUM/index.html

Medicare has two parts the Hospital Insurance trust fund and the
Supplemental Medical Insurance trust fund (covering Part B and Part
D). The Hospital Insurance trust fun ran an operational deficit of 4.7
billion for 2008 and has assets of 321 billion. The SMI trust fun had
an operational profit of 17 billion and total assets of 60 billion.

So, short term, Medicare isn't running a deficit at all for its
combined programs, it is actually in the black by some 13 billion.
However, everyone agrees that outlays will outpace income in the
coming years and operational deficits will become the norm. That isn't
necessarily a bad thing for awhile since this is a trust fund. However
it does become a bad thing if it goes on too long and no new revenues
come into place.

So yeah, if the 198 billion over 10 years were related to Medicare
(which it isn't) it would be substantial. I'm not sure where your
0.005% figure is coming from. 200 billion being 0.005% of the medicare
deficit would imply a deficit of 4 quadrillion dollars which, if I
recall, is more than the GDP of planet Earth.

Medicare has some serious financial problems laying ahead. I have no
idea what the hell you are talking about however.

Judah

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Judah wrote:
>> entire amendment. Outside groups scored it as saving 198 Billion over
>> 10 years (which I think is rather optimistic) while the CBO doesn't
>
> $200 billion over 10 years?
>
> Isn't that like .005% of today's medicare deficit? and over 10 years?
>
> So your point is that Obama's plan will save .0005% per year not
> including the new costs and won't change the cost trend?
>
> 

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