>I think you're discounting nature's morality by boiling it down to  
>kill or be killed.  There are plenty of pack animals that protect each  
>other.  Mother animals care for their young.  Gorilla's care for their  
>"tribe".  Dogs will face down someone who attacks their owner.  Etc.

Of course, doing so is self-serving in the end, because by being part of the 
pack, the animal increases its own chance of survival. But nature is in 
essence, immoral. There is constantly competition in nature to come out on top 
at the expense of others, be it those not in the pack, or one male over 
another, etc. Can human morality be totally explained on the basis of evolution 
and overall survival of the species? Perhaps. But it's a very strong contrast 
to what we typically see in nature. 

--- Mary Jo





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