how about the data, not opinions? I believe reading Mo's request, that's what she asked for, not blathering.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Robert Munn <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> >> Could you provide a link to the data that indicates that the planet is >> cooling, and the credentials of those gathering and presenting said >> data? >> > > Here is just one example, but it's irrelevant, all you need is a 5th grade > education to understand that the planet has been really hot and really cold > in the distant past and it had nothing to do with human activity. > > http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573 > > THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked > yesterday as a leading academic called it a load of hot air underpinned by > fraud. > > Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate > change<http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/search/climate%20change/>lobby as > climate comrades keeping the gravy > train<http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143632/DEBATE-Is-climate-change-a-con-to-raise-taxes-> > going. > > In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate > summit<http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/142903/Queen-opens-climate-change-summit> > attended > by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating > the public like fools and using climate change to increase taxes. > > He said carbon dioxide has had no impact on temperature and that recent > warming was part of the natural cycle of climate stretching over billions > of years. > > Prof Plimer - author of *Heaven and Earth: Global Warming, The Missing > Science* <http://www.quartetbooks.co.uk/heavenandearthminesite.html> - told > a London audience: Climates always change. They always have and they always > will. They are driven by a number of factors that are random and cyclical. > > His comments came days after a scandal in climate-change research emerged > through the leak of emails from the world-leading research unit at the > University of East Anglia. They appeared to show that scientists had been > massaging data to prove that global warming was taking place > > The Climate Research Unit also admitted getting rid of much of its raw > climate data, which means other scientists cannot check the subsequent > research. Last night the head of the CRU, Professor Phil Jones, said he > would stand down while an independent review took place. > > Professor Plimer said climate change was caused by natural events such as > volcanic eruptions, the shifting of the Earths orbit and cosmic radiation. > He said: Carbon dioxide levels have been up to 1,000 times higher in the > past. CO2 cannot be driving global warming now. > > In the past we have had rapid and significant climate change with > temperature changes greater than anything we are measuring today. They are > driven by processes that have been going on since the beginning of time. > > He cited periods of warming during the Roman Empire and in the Middle Ages > when Vikings grew crops on Greenland and cooler phases such as the Dark > Ages and the Little Ice Age from 1300 to 1850. > > And he predicted that the next phase would cool the planet. > > Climate change is widely blamed on the burning of fossil fuels which release > greenhouse gases such as CO2 into the atmosphere, where they trap the suns > heat. > > The talks at Copenhagen are expected to find ways to reduce greenhouse gas > emissions globally. > > But Professor Plimer, of Adelaide and Melbourne Universities, said that to > stop climate change Governments should find ways to prevent changes to the > Earths orbit and ocean currents and avoid explosions of supernovae in > space. Of the saga of the leaked emails, he said: If you have to argue your > science by using > fraud<http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/142796/Climate-theme-to-dominate-summit>, > your science is not valid. > > The CRUs Professor Jones has admitted some of the emails may have had > poorly chosen words and were sent in the heat of the moment. But he has > categorically denied manipulating data and said he stood by the science. And > yesterday he dismissed suggestions of a conspiracy to alter evidence to > support a theory of man-made global warming as complete rubbish. > > But mining geology professor Plimer said there was a huge momentum behind > the climate-change lobby. > > He suggested many scientists had a vested interest in promoting climate > change because it helped secure more funding for research. He said: The > climate comrades are trying to keep the gravy train going. Governments are > also keen on putting their hands as deep as possible into our pockets. > > The average person has been talked down to. He has been treated like a > fool. Yet the average person has common sense. > > But Vicky Pope, head of Met Office Climate Change Advice, said: We are > seeing changes in climate on a timescale we have not seen before. > > There clearly are natural variations. But the only way we can explain these > trends is when we include both man-made and natural changes to the climate. > > We have also seen declines in summer sea ice over the past 30 years, > glaciers retreating for 150 years, changing rainfall patterns and increases > in subsurface and surface ocean temperatures. > > And as the war of words between the rival camps intensified, leading > economist Lord Stern dismissed the sceptics as muddled. > > Lord Stern, who produced a detailed report on the issue for the Government, > said evidence of climate change was overwhelming. He accepted that all > views should be heard but said the degree of scepticis > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:308830 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
