On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:07 PM, denstar <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The question is, could "we" be changing our environment?
>>
>> No it wasn't
>
> It is the question at the heart of the debate, esse.

The heart of the debate is fudging science to earn billions in grants
and change world economies by trillions.
But we can focus on your all absorbing tangent if you'd like.

> So, are we?  You gonna say we don't have a measurable impact, like Rob
> apparently is?

Yeah, Pollution sucks and I hate breathing it, but I don't think
cap-n-trade will change that, I'm pretty sure it'll make it worse.

> "Plus cheap labor" --- yeah.  That's a tough one.  :)

Minimum wage laws in China? Good luck with that.

> I think they call it "leading by example", tho I don't practice that.
> Do what I say!

So you ride a bicycle to work?

> You can create stuff without wrecking the environment at the same
> time, they're not mutually exclusive.

Why do you think people on the right are against that?
That's the crux of the issue, who programmed you? That's what I've
been saying all along, let us build cleaner factories rather than
close them down and sent the work to China. Did you hear me?

> So, what about that tree food with a lack of trees to eat it?

Isn't 90% of the US still wilderness?

>> Hold on there partner. You think lefties are responsible for energy
>> efficiency? I guess that means righties have been fighting tech all
>> along? I think if the lefties had there way all factories would be
>> closed, thanks to the rest, we have cleaner and more efficient tech.
>
> Oh, yeah, I remember now! -- during the "height" of the Right
> (Bush43), the environment was *so* politically correct.  Just *tons*
> of energy credits and whatnot, right?

Energy credits are a scam.

> The government was bending over backwards to get us off oil during
> those bright days, right?

You still on the oil-is-bad school of thought?

> Right?
>
> Mari?  Line monster, and I can't guess the rest.

Maria. MG got it.

> I can tell you this: I think that the energy credits are swell.  I
> think gay marriage is dandy.  I think our kids should have a chance to
> live in a world as beautiful as mine was (at least).  I don't like an
> invasive government.  I don't like a non-transparent government.
> Yadda yadda and blah blah blah.

I didn't vote for the One so don't blame me for all this invasiveness.

> Hell, we're all like 99% the same when we get down to brass tacks, neh?
>
> It *is* fun to pretend differently tho, I guess.
>
> I've labeled you "Sam", BTW.  It helps to keep me from mixing you up
> with Someone Else.

I like the drill down, make me feel you reached.

> Heh.  Randomness:  The "Someone Else's Problem" cloaking device.  (the
> dude's a prophet!)

Right on brot

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