Not sure about that one. Given how Rand treated her followres in the 0's and 70's. isolation, slavish obedience to the profit, pardon prophet etc. has most if not all of the hallmarks of a classic cult. Simply because a group isn't a religious one does not mean that it is not a cult.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wrong. > > It's a philosophy, no more no less. > > There is no metaphysical aspect to it what so ever. > > BTW, sexual Puritanism is NEVER express in objectivism. > > Have you read anything that wasn't fiction put out by her or any of the > organizations that followed? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:51 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Austin plane crash a terrorist attack?? > > > BS? well how about Alan Greenspan, former Chairman of the Federal > Reserve? he was very close to Rand, so much so that Rand stood beside > him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic > Advisers. There are quite a few others who could be considered > followers of hers that are also in positions of power. > > As for her group being a cult, well if you read reasonably objective > accounts of the Collective (her term) and the successor organization, > Objectivism and the Ayn Rand Institute, it fits within the definitions > of a cult, especially when Rand was alive. How it handled dissenters, > the behavior of its own members, etc all point to it being a cult. I > like what the psychologist Albert Ellis said after a public debate > with Nathaniel Branden. In his book, published a book arguing that > Objectivism was a religion, whose practices included "sexual > Puritanism," "absolutism," "damning and condemning," and "deification" > of Ayn Rand and her fictional heroes. > > To me that sounds pretty cult like. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:24 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Fuck you and that cult bullshit Larry. You know better. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:22 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Austin plane crash a terrorist attack?? >> >> >> Its amazing how much that cult of hers has managed to take over so much. >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Ayn Rand has a lot to answer for. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Cameron Childress <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> I think what it does is support both of our points. >>>> >>>> I think you and I will continue to differ on that. I'll take this >>>> thread in a little bit different direction... I really think at it's >>>> root it's a "free will" vs "destiny" argument. >>>> >>>> I feel very strongly that people have free will and that decisions you >>>> make (particularly early in life) can greatly impact your life years >>>> later. That someone's decision to cheat on taxes or to hang out with >>>> a bunch or radicals will effect their life in dramatically negative >>>> ways. I tend to look at a person's decision to involve themselves >>>> with radicals as the force that made them the way they are, not what >>>> the radicals did to the person. That it is still the individual's own >>>> life choices that lead them to their place in life. >>>> >>>> On the other hand - I think that you tend to believe that outside >>>> forces direct you in life. That hanging out with radicals was not the >>>> driving reason someone becomes radicalized or does something terrible. >>>> That it is really the fault of the radicals when someone ends up >>>> flying into a building - not the individual who potentially chose very >>>> early in life to enter into a relationship with them. >>>> >>>> Further, (and this really goes outside the thread) I think that you >>>> tend to believe that it is the government's role as protector to help >>>> guide people to their destiny where I tend to believe that it is the >>>> individual's role to do that. >>>> >>>> Granted this whole discussion does leave out things like genetics, >>>> disease, race, family, and other things that may influence your life >>>> in ways that are not a personal choice. >>>> >>>> This is really not an argument, just a description of how I have >>>> internally shape my picture of our different viewpoints on a number of >>>> things discussed on this list. >>>> >>>> -Cameron >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:312470 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
