On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> That's damn amusing. You start by baselessly accusing Democrats of
> trying to ruin healthcare device manufacturers by imposing an unfair
> $20 billion excise tax on them. When I point out that those very
> companies were involved in the negotiations and agreed to that $20
> billion you are now saying that it should have been $40 billion?

Not should have been, it was $40billion dollars starting this year.
The deal was they cut it in half. The results: Big Pharma won't be
phased, little pharma: bye-bye. Buy your way to play.

Like a typical socialist you think they should be glad they're allowed
to stay in business at all, that is if they survive.

> Personally, I think that Pharma and the Medical Device manufacturers
> got a pretty sweet deal out of the whole thing. I've long said that
> Obama is a corpratist Democrat. He sought to bring them in early,
> negotiate and lock their support in early. I'm glad that he is the
> sort that does bring people to the table and negotiate, corporations
> included, though I would have appreciated him driving a harder
> bargain.

I was right.

> Obama is a centrist. A lot of the ideas in this bill came from
> Republicans originally and the result is quite corporation friendly.

BS and BS

> That's the reality of Washington DC, they don't tend to do giant
> reform in big chunks and especially without the help of their
> corporate friends. If this bill had really been written by the left,
> you would have seen debate about a Single Payer system and getting rid
> of the Fee for Service model in healthcare. Instead, you got the
> weakened left pushing for a weakened "public option" that they didn't
> even achieve, an individual mandate that was proposed by Chuck
> Grassley and excise tax deals done with Pharma and AMTA.

Yet we're still bankrupt and for what?

> It is a major victory that anything got done at all. The actual
> contents of the deal? Meh, pretty middle of the road and very
> incrementalist. Still, I'm quite happy that it got done. It is a
> starting point.

To you mediocre is a major victory and that's what this country will be.

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