His writing is ok but his female characters just ring totally wrong
and it I can't take his books seriously because of this. Partly this
is his time (Asimov is also kinda bad about this, but so few
significant of *his* characters are women...) and partly -- I don't
know. I re-read some of his books because Tim was raving about them,
and I just don't get it. Mind you I couldn't get past the first few
pages of Atlas Shrugged either.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Eric Roberts
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Yup...I have read it.  Didn't care for the writing style (I don’t like most
> writings styles in sci-fi), but it was otherwise a good book.  He did put
> some interesting ideas out there...even formed the basis of a Pagan
> Tradition (Church of All Worlds).
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:20 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere
> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc
>
>
> Have you read stranger in a strange land?  If not please do.  Incredible
> book if you can grok it.
>
> They have public and private spheres in life, and the individual decides
> which sphere he is in in most cases.
>
> Interesting concept.  Would be difficult to implement.  Man Heinlein was an
> incredible mind.  What I would give to sit and puff one with him.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere
> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc
>
>
> From my reading, it's no so much an enumerated right, but one that is
> inferred by the enumerated rights and backed up by several SCOTUS decisions.
> One article stated that Justice Louis Brandeis cited the 14th Amendment  as
> an example of this.  They also used the phrase the right to be left the hell
> alone...heheheh
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:45 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere
> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc
>
>
> maybe. I feel there is a right to be left the hell alone. But yeah,
> privacy may not be the best word.
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:42 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Well, as Denny mentioned.  The rights enumerated in the constitution are
> not
>> our only rights, just the ones they wrote down.
>>
>> I just think "privacy" is too loose a word, and we would need to have an
>> amendment clarifying what it means.
>>
>> Shit I think we need a new constitutional convention.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:14 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere
>> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc
>>
>>
>> true but it's a pretty established constitutional extrapolation.
>> Sometimes judicial activism is needed. I personally think that it does
>> not arise in the constitution because it's not an 18-century concept.
>> The United States was so sparsely populated then that it really wasn't
>> hard to be left the hell alone. This is less so now. But isn't that
>> really what underlies all of the other rights? The right to be left
>> the hell alone?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:52 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also the word privacy is never mentioned in the constitution, it's an
>>> invention of judicial activism.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: G Money [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:31 AM
>>> To: cf-community
>>> Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere
>>> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Eric Roberts <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The family's
>>>> right to privacy and their freedom of (and from) the religious beliefs
> of
>>>> others trumps all of that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Their right to privacy is protected, in so far as the protesters are not
>>> allowed on the private property of the cemetery, but must remain off the
>>> property to carry their stupid signs.
>>>
>>> If these people were carrying signs that said "God bless your son for his
>>> service", you wouldn't be up in arms about it. My point is that it's not
>>> really their privacy that you are worried about, it's the type of speech.
>>>
>>> America and her freedoms are not easy. They were not obtained easily, and
>>> they are not defended easily. Our military protects our freedoms from
>> armed
>>> assailants domestic and foreign, but we citizens are the last great
>> defense
>>> of what our country really stands for......freedom. These assholes test
> us
>>> as citizens of a free country. Is our devotion to freedom of speech just
>>> rhetoric, or are we capable of passing the test and suffering those who
>>> would test the limits of our freedoms?
>>>
>>> Don't fail the test.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Everybody knows the war is over
>>> Everybody knows the good guys lost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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