I dont think Dana and Scott are interested in discussing this with people that disagree with them. They would rather act like pompous asses whose pet idea can't be wrong since that might make them wrong....and we can't let that happen. They remind me of fundamentalists who have a monopoly on the right thing (tm) and anyone who disagrees is automatically wrong or intolerant or uneducated.
Eric -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:19 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: The hardest thing about homeschooling..... I have no idea what you are talking about. My comment was fairly simple "interesting numbers where did you get them? pull them from something that agrees with your own biases? " While "pull them from something that agrees with your own biases? " appears to be a bit over the top, it nowhere near justifies your going ballistic. As I said all I wanted was your source so I could judge for myself. As far as I can see, you're either unable or unwilling to provide a source your your numbers. So what do I conclude from that, aside from your uncalled for b*tchiness? So it appears that since you're ignoring the original comment and appear to be enjoying your temper tantrum, as far as I am concerned this discussion has ended. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > I asked for yours because you don't seem to have one, and considering > your next move that seems rather hypocritical. I have extensive > experience with many homeschool groups, religious and not, in quite a > few states -- Texas, Ohio, New Mexico, West Virginia, Michigan and > Maryland off the top of my head. > > I don't feel the need to fish around in my resources for the benefit > of a pompous pontificator who can't be bothered to back up the claim > he wants me to refute. > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I simply asked for the source so I could judge for myself. If you have >> the cite I'd simply like to see it otherwise for all I know its from >> some dim fantasy world. >> >> You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled >> however to your own facts. >> >> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> you slander a community I've been part of for more than a decade in... >>> oh at least half a dozen states, then demand that I prove your >>> prejudices are ill-founded. >>> >>> whatever. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> why the hostility? I do not think that my comment merited a such a response. >>>> >>>> something pissing you off in real life? >>>> >>>> Your response is not your typical behavior on this list. >>>> >>>> If not then as far as I am concerned you can go take a flying... my >>>> life is too short to have to deal with that sort of foetid and well >>>> ripened manure. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hah, you blather endlessly about your preconceptions and then bewail >>>>> MY biases? You were the first to characterize the group -- let's see >>>>> YOUR souces, and I insist, given that it's you, on a peer-reviewed >>>>> journal article. >>>>> >>>>> What the hell. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> interesting numbers where did you get them? pull them from something >>>>>> that agrees with your own biases? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bullshit. It's perhaps a quarter of homeschoolers who are religious, >>>>>>> Larry. They are merely the most vocal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott, try Ambleside and if that doesn't look like your cup of tea try >>>>>>> the google term "umbrella school." Or, there is Calvert, but they are >>>>>>> pricy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My sympathies. I would think that given the landscape, you'd be doing >>>>>>>> good to find anything that's not religious in the home schooling >>>>>>>> market. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...is finding quality, secular curriculum. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My wife and I have been looking into homeschool programs that actually >>>>>>>>> give the children diplomas and transcripts. Unfortunately, since a >>>>>>>>> large portion of those who homeschool do so for religious reasons (we >>>>>>>>> do not, BTW), most of these programs have curricula that are heavily >>>>>>>>> religious. This has not bee a huge bone of contention with me as most >>>>>>>>> of the programs allow you to substitute a curriculum for each subject. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yesterday that changed. We visited the main office for one of these >>>>>>>>> programs. Up until yesterday, we were impressed with their reputation, >>>>>>>>> cost and the fact that they were fairly liberal in what you could >>>>>>>>> substitute. For grammar school children, the only subjects you could >>>>>>>>> nit substitute was English and Religion. I was cool with that. >>>>>>>>> However, we were then told that for high school you cannot substitute >>>>>>>>> English, Religion and History. I immediately went and started looking >>>>>>>>> at the High School history books. They had titles like 'Christ the >>>>>>>>> King, Lord of History' and 'Christ and the Americas'. The first book I >>>>>>>>> picked up had chapters named 'Abraham' and 'Moses' - and the 'Moses' >>>>>>>>> chapter was twice as long as each chapter devoted to 'Ancient Greece' >>>>>>>>> and 'Ancient Rome'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The main biology books were different volumes of a series titled >>>>>>>>> 'Exploring Creation'. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was disgusted with all the religious drivel that was included in >>>>>>>>> these books - and was immediately turned off to this program (We had >>>>>>>>> looked at it because of the ones with a good reputation that are >>>>>>>>> accredited, this one was Catholic) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My wife is a devote Catholic, I am not. We have discussed raising our >>>>>>>>> children Catholic, but these references in a history book concerned >>>>>>>>> even her. I have no issues with the children learning about >>>>>>>>> Catholicism, but to have those beliefs brought into subjects like >>>>>>>>> history and science is where I draw the line. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, now we must continue the search for a good program, like the ones >>>>>>>>> we have looked at, but that do not cram the religion down the kids >>>>>>>>> throats in every subject. There has got to be a happy medium >>>>>>>>> somewhere.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> </rant> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Scott Stroz >>>>>>>>> --------------- >>>>>>>>> The DOM is retarded. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://xkcd.com/386/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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