I just surfed around the page and had to fight wretching several times. Be
warned: if you go there and click on some of the links the pictures are
horrifying at best.  They call it "The Nuremburg List" to associate
abortionists, pro-choice advocates and judges, politicians and police
officials who promote freedom of choice and say anything to the negative
about their stance with the Nazis that were put on trial after World War II.
Their reason for having the site is to be the front for an archive of
"evidence", according to the following quote (if you can stomach their
graphics the reading is educational):

"The evidence we collect will be forwarded to several secure locations so
that pro-abortion forces will not be able to destroy the evidence and
prevent its future use. In addition, we will share copies of the pertinent
information with local or national pro-life organizations which may need it
in their work. Some of the information, for instance, may be very useful in
a present day trial if the abortionist is being sued or charged with another
crime. Other information may be useful in revealing to neighbors and
colleagues of the abortionist by way of exposing the horrible crimes the
people are committing."

Personally I'm one to say that people should be able to say and do what they
want as long as it does not harm another person or infringe on their rights.
I start having problems when things like the above protest and the website I
looked at are concerned.  Many supporters say, "A shock method is how this
has to be presented because it is absolutely imperative that this issue be
addressed."  However, I also think that there is a time and a place for
everything.

I'll tell a funny little story that happened here (Buffalo) recently:
About a week ago there was a pro-life demonstration held at a local
elementary school.  The adults holding the protest were handing leaflets to
10 year olds in busses and demonstrating with placquards shoing picures of
aborted fetuses.  When one of the parents with several children in tow, the
youngest around 4, demanded that the people stop their ridiculous task, she
was told, "Your children are going to go to hell!"

There is no abortion clinic nearby.  The school was not having any kind of
program on contraception or abortion.  The reason the protesters were there
was, in all honesty, a choice of bad words.  The school they were
demonstrating at was one of three drop-off points for a "School Choice"
program, where parents can register for having their children go to a
different school.  The thing that raised the protesters voices was initially
the word Choice.  Then, when parents and officials started raicing their
voices about the content and in-your-face tactics that were being used, it
was said that the protest was protected under freedom of speech.

(*sighs*)
Hatton

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Abortion web site ruled "true threat
>
>
> I don't think it is not as much about the speech, as what the
> speech convinced people to do.
>
> If there had not been the shootings and the bombings, I don't
> think the court would have ruled this way.
>
> But since this speech can be DIRECTLY tied to acts of violence,
> the court made (IMHO) the correct ruling.
>
> Jerry Johnson
>
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/17/02 01:48PM >>>
> Nothing like an abortion discussion on a Friday afternoon...
>
> The 9th US Circuit Appeals Court ruled that a web site
> http://www.christiangallery.com/atrocity/ was a clear threat to the people
> portrayed on the site.
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020516/ap_on_r
> e_us/abort
> ion_appeal_4

> I have always felt that no matter how much something disgusts me or
> something is against my morals, the goverment shouldn't legislate anything
> to make me feel better. On the other hand, the Nuremburg Files really toes
> the line of hate speech, I don't believe I have ever felt more disgusted
> looking at a web site...and I've seen some extreme stuff out there.
>
> In the end, I guess I hope the Supreme Court overturns the appeals court
> ruling and free speech wins. I do think the entire web site does a huge
> disservice to the pro-life camp though.
>
> jon
>
>
>


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