Would you see a row boat from a 100,000 feet? /me runs
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Is it safe to assume you feel the same way about the US? > > Funny how we do not see you rallying for the rights of Native > Americans like you do for those in Gaza. > > Funny, when you look at my analogy from the 100,000 foot overview, row > boat and aircraft carriers are both boats. So, maybe there are the > same. Except when you get into the details. That is where your analogy > fails. > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The big one is a non-native population moves in and takes the land for > the > > native people and then continues to discriminate against and oppress > them. > > I think that pretty much covers it. More like comparing and aircraft > > carrier with an aircraft carrier. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:37 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > > waters. > > > > > > See my row boat/aircraft carrier analogy. They have many similarities > > as well. And many more differences. > > > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Many people, even outside the muslim world, think there are many > >> similarities. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:31 PM > >> To: cf-community > >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > >> waters. > >> > >> > >> I think its a far stretch to compare Israel to apartheid in South > Africa. > >> > >> Are there some similarities? Sure. Just like an row boat has some > >> similarities with an air craft carrier. > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Eric Roberts > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> I was listening to a guy on a news broadcast talk about how the > >>> anti-apartheid movement in South Africa started very similarly...it was > > on > >>> the fringe with some pretty radical actions that brought the injustice > > out > >>> of the shadows and into the daylight for the world to see. One the cat > >> was > >>> out of the bag, the global movement snowballed until it was so huge > that > >> it > >>> became a force of nature that the government of SA couldn't stop. I > > think > >>> that is starting to happen in regard to Israeli treatment of the > >>> Palestinians, particularly in Gaza. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:22 PM > >>> To: cf-community > >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > >>> waters. > >>> > >>> > >>> I think a lot of people can agree that there may have been better (or > >>> smarter) ways to accomplish this. > >>> > >>> I honestly do not think this was their intention. I think their > >>> intention was to provoke Israel, nothing else. They succeeded in that. > >>> And Israel succeeded in over reacting to the provocation. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The better action is to break the blockade and shed as much light on > it > >> as > >>>> possible....otherwise nothing will improve. Just going through > normal > >>>> channels, which people don't trust in the first place...is continuing > > the > >>>> status quo. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: G Money [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:05 PM > >>>> To: cf-community > >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > >>>> waters. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> As well you should be. Eric, you should be too. > >>>> > >>>> If these people's #1 concern was helping the residents of Gaza, they > >> would > >>>> have sent their supplies through the existing channels to ensure they > >> made > >>>> it to the people who are suffering, then challenged the blockade in > some > >>>> other fashion. > >>>> > >>>> If, instead, their #1 agenda item was to create a situation with > Israel > >>> that > >>>> shined a light on it's blockade, they would have tried to get their > > goods > >>>> through the blockade. > >>>> > >>>> Guess which method they chose. > >>>> > >>>> Just something to keep in mind. There's no altruism here. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> So, in other words, they have an agenda. And people have this > >>>>> incredible ability to do whatever it takes to push their agenda. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am just as leery of these folks' account of the events as I am of > >>>>> Israel's > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I would say they have more of a reason to just be truthful as they > > are > >>>>> > trying to add legitimacy to their claims and gain world support to > > end > >>>>> the > >>>>> > illegal blockade of Gaza. I would say this especially in the light > > of > >>>>> > Israeli claims that have been shown to be false and manipulated. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- > >>>>> > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:37 AM > >>>>> > To: cf-community > >>>>> > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in > > international > >>>>> > waters. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > I understand your position there, but is it not a bit naive to > think > >>>>> > that those on the other side do not have an agenda and to accept > >>>>> > everything they say as the full, complete, unbiased account of the > >>>>> > events? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Do you really think that CNN, or any other news agency, does not > have > >>>>> > an agenda or a bias? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Eric Roberts > >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> It would depend on the source. If it came from the Israeli > >>>>> > government...no. > >>>>> >> I don't trust anything coming out of that government. They have > >>>> already > >>>>> >> demonstrated that they are willing to lie and modify things to > make > >>>> look > >>>>> >> favorable to them. I kinda look at them like I look at Fox News. > I > >>>>> will > >>>>> >> give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove me wrong. > Israel > >>> has > >>>>> > lied > >>>>> >> and misled with their press releases and thus proven me wrong. > You > >>> get > >>>>> > one > >>>>> >> chance. Destroy that trust and you are hard pressed to get it > back. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:23 AM > >>>>> >> To: cf-community > >>>>> >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in > >> international > >>>>> >> waters. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Somehow I do not think you would be so quick to accept 'testimony' > >>>>> >> from 3 Israeli soldiers as 'corroboration'. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Eric Roberts > >>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Eyewitness accounts that tell the same story...that's called > >>>>> >> corroboration. > >>>>> >>> Add that to the fact that we know for a fact that the Israelis > >>>> doctored > >>>>> >>> footage. Makes the passengers much more of a reliable witness to > >> the > >>>>> >>> events. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:06 AM > >>>>> >>> To: cf-community > >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in > >>> international > >>>>> >>> waters. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> And I am sure the news producer from Al Jazeera and those > involved > >>> are > >>>>> >>> giving a completely unbiased accounts of what happened. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts > >>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> Some accounts of passengers on the aid ship...these are all > > British > >>>>> >>>> citizens... > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKHcwrak0 > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gp8ECrDQLg&feature=watch_response > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5VzDH8SDU&feature=related > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> >>>> From: denstar [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:48 PM > >>>>> >>>> To: cf-community > >>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in > >>>> international > >>>>> >>>> waters. > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Maureen wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> It's especially bothersome that so much of the current rhetoric > > is > >>>>> >>>>> based on disinformation. I found this article particularly > >>>>> >>>>> enlightening. > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/04/MNR51DPCVM.DTL > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> You don't say! > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> :Den > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> -- > >>>>> >>>> The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. > > You > >>>>> >>>> cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only > in > >>>>> >>>> such a way that it catches you. > >>>>> >>>> Soren Kierkegaar > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320892 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
