On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote:
>
>>Like, there wasn't this "*everyone* want's to be free of England"
>>mentality, right?  Wasn't it sorta a minority that even pushed the
>>revolution through, so to speak?
>
> Yeah, smugglers mostly. A few rich white guys who didn't want to pay
> taxes (some things never change). Probably one or two guys who just had
> massive problems with authority.

Money and Power, eh?  Sounds about right.  :)

>>The Catholic church was already crazy powerful, all over the world.
>>Had a real nice racket going for a bit, IMHO.
>
> The Catholic church remained crazy powerful up until Napoleon took the
> Pope prisoner.

Hell, I wouldn't fnuck wit 'em today!  :)

Not exactly relegated to the back.

>>And heck, churches in general were more powerful back then.  I'm
>>pretty sure for a while you *had* to pay a certain amount of money to
>>your local church, and *had* to go to church on Sunday.
>
> I'm not sure if that was true in the 1700s, but it was true in the
> middle ages.

Yeah, I was dredging memory for some Thomas Jefferson church stuff,
but I couldn't remember it.  Something about having to pay a church
regularly, I thought.

>>Quite a bit of the hate that is preached in this world comes from
>>Religion.  I hate hate.  ;)
>
> Quite a bit of hate is preached towards Religion to, most of it
> undeserved. For instance I've been called all kinds of nasty names
> because of Phelps and his ilk despite the fact that I have basically
> nothing in common with the man ideologically speaking.

I try to look at everything as new, which is hard, because my brain
wants to do the opposite.  Patterns and whatnot.

I was mainly referring to socially conservative religious folk, like
Phelps, who say mean things.  It seems like a lot of social
conservatives are Religious (be it Catholic, Christian, Hindu or
whathaveyou).

The pattern of people who say things like "if you are gay you will go
to hell", or "if you get an abortion you are sinning against God" or
any of the other "shared" religious messages.

Religion is all about "staying on message", sorta, and when you've got
billions of followers, huge chunks of which believe X... I dunno.
It's a little different than "unaffiliated" hate.

But I don't think all religious people preach hate.  Not one whit.
Religion can be good and bad, or perhaps a mix of the two even... like
most everything is, or can be, If we stick to 3 (good, bad- and a mix
of neither of each to all of both ;]).  Hehe.

Math is pretty fun, now that I know it's all made up (looked at from a
certain perspective, in some fashion).

Heh.  I should do some coding.

:)eN

-- 
There is no end to education. It is not that you read a book, pass an
examination, and finish with education. The whole of life, from the
moment you are born to the moment you die, is a process of learning.
Jiddu Krishnam

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