Also I find this set of stats very interesting: %GDP spending on education:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_pri_sch_stu-spending-per-primary-school-student http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_sec_sch_stu_pergdp-per-secondary-school-student-gdp http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_sec_sch_stu-spending-per-secondary-school-student On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > You also have to look at the sampling. For many of these international > tests, only select groups (i.e., for many countries those bound for > university or other higher ed programs) take these tests. If you did a > similar comparison with US students in the same situation e.g., IB or > AP programs, you'll find that US students do, on the average, at least > as well as those other countries. > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I did not say that we spend the most. I said that if 'I remember >> correctly' (see that little disclaimer there?) there were a lot of >> countries that send less but do a better job educating. >> >> Just showing what countries spend is only half the data. >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'd like to see the stats for that. >>> >>> According to UNESCO the US is #36 on per capita spending on primary >>> school students (i.e., K-6). Most of the EU, Britain, Canada, >>> Australia, New Zealand, etc., spend more or the same as the US per >>> student. >>> >>> So lets try another myth. >>> >>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_pub_spe_per_stu_pri_lev-spending-per-student-primary-level >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah yes, the spoiled brat theory. The best time to kick someone is when >>>>> they are down. They'll never learn until their constituents are >>>>> starving in the street. Well, actually, they already are and the >>>>> politicians aren't learning. So lets try kicking them harder, trash >>>>> the education system further, increase childhood hunger rates and see >>>>> what happens. I know that you don't actually believe that trashing the >>>>> education system is a good idea, that you don't want childhood hunger >>>>> rates to increase, etc. You want fiscal discipline and accountability >>>>> from politicians, which is admirable. I want that too. But right now >>>>> I'm a lot more concerned about having teachers in our schools, cops on >>>>> the streets and children being fed. >>>> >>>> I will need to look it up, but I recall reading an article (or maybe >>>> saw a news show) where it showed that other countries (and if I >>>> remember correctly, a LOT of other countries) spend less per student >>>> than than the US, yet they were kicking our ass when it comes to >>>> actually educating students. >>>> >>>> There is a problem with our education system,but I am not sure that >>>> blindly throwing gobs of money at it is the best solution. >>>> >>>> That being said, I think I would rather we took the money form stealth >>>> bombers rather than food stamps - for anything, not just education. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Scott Stroz >>>> --------------- >>>> You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can >>>> wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris >>>> >>>> http://xkcd.com/386/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:324716 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
