Just piling on a bit more: http://nces.ed.gov/Pubs/eiip/eiipid43.asp
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > Also I find this set of stats very interesting: %GDP spending on education: > > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_pri_sch_stu-spending-per-primary-school-student > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_sec_sch_stu_pergdp-per-secondary-school-student-gdp > http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_spe_per_sec_sch_stu-spending-per-secondary-school-student > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: >> You also have to look at the sampling. For many of these international >> tests, only select groups (i.e., for many countries those bound for >> university or other higher ed programs) take these tests. If you did a >> similar comparison with US students in the same situation e.g., IB or >> AP programs, you'll find that US students do, on the average, at least >> as well as those other countries. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I did not say that we spend the most. I said that if 'I remember >>> correctly' (see that little disclaimer there?) there were a lot of >>> countries that send less but do a better job educating. >>> >>> Just showing what countries spend is only half the data. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'd like to see the stats for that. >>>> >>>> According to UNESCO the US is #36 on per capita spending on primary >>>> school students (i.e., K-6). Most of the EU, Britain, Canada, >>>> Australia, New Zealand, etc., spend more or the same as the US per >>>> student. >>>> >>>> So lets try another myth. >>>> >>>> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_pub_spe_per_stu_pri_lev-spending-per-student-primary-level >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah yes, the spoiled brat theory. The best time to kick someone is when >>>>>> they are down. They'll never learn until their constituents are >>>>>> starving in the street. Well, actually, they already are and the >>>>>> politicians aren't learning. So lets try kicking them harder, trash >>>>>> the education system further, increase childhood hunger rates and see >>>>>> what happens. I know that you don't actually believe that trashing the >>>>>> education system is a good idea, that you don't want childhood hunger >>>>>> rates to increase, etc. You want fiscal discipline and accountability >>>>>> from politicians, which is admirable. I want that too. But right now >>>>>> I'm a lot more concerned about having teachers in our schools, cops on >>>>>> the streets and children being fed. >>>>> >>>>> I will need to look it up, but I recall reading an article (or maybe >>>>> saw a news show) where it showed that other countries (and if I >>>>> remember correctly, a LOT of other countries) spend less per student >>>>> than than the US, yet they were kicking our ass when it comes to >>>>> actually educating students. >>>>> >>>>> There is a problem with our education system,but I am not sure that >>>>> blindly throwing gobs of money at it is the best solution. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, I think I would rather we took the money form stealth >>>>> bombers rather than food stamps - for anything, not just education. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Scott Stroz >>>>> --------------- >>>>> You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can >>>>> wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris >>>>> >>>>> http://xkcd.com/386/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:324718 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
