On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wait, I think you may not really understand the discussion here. > > I do actually. I've been following it from the beginning (I looked on > the forums to see messages I may have missed). > >> My only 'crime' here is trying to point out that casting judgement on >> an entire group based on the words and actions of a few members of >> that group is not a good idea. > > Judgment is pretty final. No one is casting any judgments here. All we > are saying is that it's a good idea to assume the worst and to be > happy to be proven wrong.
Again, in any of the statements made by those who share that sentiment, substitute 'cop' with 'Muslim' (or any other group) and see how it sounds. No one here would ever make the same statement, especially someone who is usually as thought provoking as Kris. That is my point. > > You never did answer my question about strangers asking for money. > Would you mind doing so as I think it may help see where the other > side is coming from? I have given strangers money. I often give a few bucks to people who need it. I have also been known to buy meals or drinks for soldiers when I am dining out. What does that prove? > >> A discussion that has taken place quite >> a few times recently, actually. (To some, it seems this practice is >> acceptable so long as the group in question is the Tea Party or Law >> Enforcement.) > > Actually, it's acceptable to me. Both against the Tea Party and Law > Enforcement, but also against Religions, People who serve me food, > Drivers (Haven't you heard about not assuming that the blinkers mean > they will turn?), Homeless, Rich People, Middle Class, etc. > > If you have no basic defenses and you presume that people are all > good, then I have this bridge that you may be interested in buying. There is a way to protect yourself and not assume everyone is out to get you. > >> I am using the religious terms to show how discriminatory some of the >> comments people have made really are. > > Discrimination.. So what type are we talking about here? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination Kris' comments were stereotyping all law enforcement officers. Stereotyping is a type of discrimination, your link says so > >> Thanx for looking out, but I am pretty sure I can handle myself. > > Fair enough. :) > >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Phillip Vector >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Scott... Mind if I step in here for a moment and point something out? >>> >>> When I first found this list (recently as before, I was just on >>> cf-talk and cf-jobs {yes, I'm looking}), I was surprised that these >>> types of conversations were happening. You DO realize that your >>> viewpoints are being archived by Google.. Right? >>> >>> While I don't mean to suggest that you stop talking about this >>> subject, your posts seem to be approaching troll level IMHO. >>> >>> If I may suggest something, please take a break from the convo, get >>> some coffee or tea and sit back and let the heated words that you are >>> saying cool off a bit.. >>> >>> Either that or keep comparing taking a reasonable defense against >>> something we all know exists and terrorism and religion (which you >>> know as well as I do, you put that out there for shock and awe). >>> >>> Keep it cool man.. The potential boss of the future is watching. :) >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh...so, its OK to pre-judge people as long as there is a chance that >>>> if they are 'bad' their actions may vastly effect your life. >>>> >>>> After all the terrorist attacks perpetrated by Muslims, it would be >>>> OK, based on your explanation, for me to assume all Muslims are >>>> terrorists until proven otherwise? A terrorist can physically harm or >>>> kill me. With the stakes that high it only makes sense to use every >>>> shield against Muslim terrorists that we have. It's not about being >>>> disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Sisk, Kris <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Let's put it to you this way: What are the potential consequences of >>>>> running into a bad cashier? You get short changed a little, right? Small >>>>> beans, but I still double check that I got the change I was supposed to >>>>> when I go to the store. A bad mechanic and you'll have to take your car >>>>> to another one. Expensive maybe, but not exactly life altering. A bad >>>>> programmer and you get bugs that don't get fixed. You're out the cost of >>>>> the software, but 90% of the time you can just switch programs. >>>>> >>>>> Now with a bad police officer, you might end up in jail or you might >>>>> have a ticket on your record that shouldn't be there and double your >>>>> insurance rate for the next 5 years. With the stakes that high it only >>>>> makes sense to use every shield against bad cops that we have. It's not >>>>> about being disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:08 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, >>>>> he was right. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sisk, Kris <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There are enough bad cops that there are at least one or two in every >>>>>> police department in the country (which is just about like any other >>>>> job >>>>>> really). >>>>> >>>>> So, based on this statement, is it safe to assume that you pre-judge >>>>> everyone and assume they are one of 'the bad ones'? Or is it just law >>>>> enforcement? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:327493 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
