On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:33 AM, denstar wrote:
>>
>> It's the shit that Bush did that Obama's kept running or extended that bug 
>> me.
>>
>> Domestic spying, mainly.  I'm always a sucker for that one.
>
> I guess you're easily molded  :)

I'm flexible on most things.  Privacy isn't one of them.  =)

Which is pretty funny, as I'm not a private person.

>> Matt wasn't being kind, he was being honest.  That's how he feels, and
>> I can respect that.  He wasn't *trying* to spin things, which you do
>> wantonly, and I do randomly.
>
> It was a kind opinion, mine are a lot harsher. I save the kind
> opinions for other occasions.

Constructive!

>> As for bias, I roll with the Democrats.  Of the shows in town, I like
>> the ideals the best.
>
> I know, 'til death do you part.

I'm not die-hard.  Like I said, their platform is more in line with what I like.

Holier than thou kinda sucks.  Especially when you're not very holy.

>> Sorta how I love Glee, and Raising Hope (too bad about My Name is
>> Earl), and Community.  Great Television right there!
>
> I'm sorry to hear that. But why did you group Earl with the other crap :P

You like Earl but don't like Hope?  Sheesh dude, that's comedy gold
right there!  Very Earl-like.  Even more heartwarming.

>> The whole social conservatism, "we know morals" deal the Republicans
>> sport turns me off.  Running on fear is lame.  Wanting a non-invasive
>> government, fiscal responsibility, etc. sound good-- the rest tho...
>
> You keep finding conservatives in the shadows that support your theory
> of them. What mainstream  politicians talk about morals? Do you know
> Obama doesn't support gay marriage and his admin is fighting DADT?

He's one dude.  I'm talking party platforms.  What is the Republican
stance on gay marriage?  Abortion?  Welfare?

Is it just the guns and anti-welfare that turn you on?

And are you *chucking kidding* me about the "morals" angle?  Remember
Family Values?  Have the Republicans abandoned that?  What about
faith-based initiatives?  Prayer in schools?

>> What's your yardstick, is what I was saying. "Compared to what".  It's
>> like you expect a politician to be honest-- which would be *awesome*,
>> if you /really/ expected that.  But this is just lip-service.  It's
>> 'cause it's him, not because he's a politician.
>
> I expect a politician to care about me and my country, I don't want to
> be sent to the back of the bus because I have a different opinion. I'm
> seeing a pattern that goes all the way to the top of your group.

Your party screwed us over for 8 years, man, with long lasting
effects.  Seems like the Republicans make a mess, and then the
Democrats clean it up.  Only it's never as clean as it was before the
Republicans messed with it.  =)p

Nobody can stop people from advocating torture, and "first strike"
type stuff and whatnot.  This is America!  =)

...
>> Our unemployment would be at 4% or so, had we just ripped that
>> band-aid off, right?
>
> No way, Obama would still be hostile to corps so I would estimate if
> there was no crisis when Obama took over we'd have 7-8% unemployment.
>
>> Damn economics be easy!
>
> You seem to know all the answers, or at least trust that a temp law
> lecturer has all the answers. I hear Summers did a heck of a job.

Actually, I say that I *don't* know all the answers.  You are the one
saying the solution was an easy one.  You're the one "doing the math",
so to speak.

I don't think Economics is easy.  It's too much like weather patterns,
which we still cannot predict very far out.

>>> They economy of today is not related to the banking crisis of 2008. We
>>> paid our way out of that 5 time over.
>>
>> So the reason the economy isn't awesome is because of what, health
>> care reform?  All the spending in the last two years alone?
>
> Out of control spending, hostility towards corporations, hostility
> towards America. The 1099 issue alone is preventing many companies
> from hiring new employees, but there's so much more bad news for
> business in that bill.

Lots of business had record profits even while everything else was in
the crapper.

What's the math behind that?

>> That just doesn't seem realistic.
>
> Because you were told otherwise by reliable sources? Could it be all
> Bambams experience as a leader that allows you to feel so confident in
> his abilities?

It has nothing to do with what anyone has said, it stems from my
belief, unlike yours, that economics isn't a hard science, per se.
Seems more like chaos/game theory.

>> How long did it take us to recover from the dot com bubble?
>
> What was it like a year?

Ha!  Yeah, something like that.  =)p

>> You've been trying to bring him down, period.  Hoping he fails-- er,
>> his plans fail (because they're like 10 types of evil, all socialistic
>> and whatnot.  Worse than torturing fools, yo!) -- from the get go.
>
> Priorities baby. You worry about terrorist being comfortable, I'll
> worry about survival of our nation.

WTF?  Is this a stab at my strong belief in Privacy for the People?
Oh yeah, if you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to
fear, right?  I remember now.

You support the anti-encryption, "government needs a back door to keep
us safe" mentality, right?  Whatever it takes to keep us "safe"?

Because if a citizen has privacy, the terrorists win!  Better to be
safe than free!  Woohoo for Big Brother and the Nanny State!  Wow.
Good band name, though.

Torturing fools keeps us (and our armed forces) safe!  This is WAR,
essaid!  The War on Terror!  It's like a crusade against evil.  Don't
fear fear-- revel it!

Priorities indeed.  What's there to save without our great ideals?

>> Reality is what you make of it.  :)

:Den

-- 
It is good to be tired and wearied by the futile search after the true
good, that we may stretch out our arms to the Redeemer

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