Here is an investigation you might not know about - You worried about Enron contributions? Heh, I will take them any day of the week over selling China technology to blow us off the face of the planet - but that's just silly ol' me. =P
Wall Street Journal 3/11/99 Editorial ".On their own the security lapses would be serious enough... But the story's context invites an even more chilling conclusion. The Clinton Administration's inaction, after all, did not occur in a vacuum. It came in the thick of a 1996 re-election effort we now know included campaign contributions from those with ties to the Chinese government, its military and even its intelligence organizations In other words, at the same time the FBI and CIA were investigating the source of the Los Alamos leak, Vice President Al Gore was passing the hat among inexplicably wealthy Buddhist nuns, Mr. Clinton was serving coffee at the White House to PLA arms dealer Wang Jun and the Administration responded favorably to a request from a man who would be the Democratic Party's largest donor in 1996--Loral Chairman Bernard L. Schwartz--to transfer authority over licensing of satellite technology from the State to Commerce Department. Two years later Loral would be granted a Presidential waiver to export its technology to China, even though it was under criminal investigation by the Justice Department for previous technology transfers..More to the point here, neither of Mr. Clinton's predecessors involved their foreign policy people in campaign politics the way this Administration has. What makes Sandy Berger's lack of action on the espionage front so scandalous is that as deputy National Security Adviser in 1996 he sat in on the weekly White House meetings about the re-election campaign. And he wasn't alone. The President himself chaired a September 13, 1995, meeting after which Johnny Huang--Lippo's man at the Commerce Department--was transferred to the Democratic National Committee. The result was that a man suspected of having compromised national security continued at his post, and foreign scientists were allowed to visit lab facilities without background checks. Indeed, the White House began to tighten things at Los Alamos only late last year, after the arrival of Bill Richardson at Energy and after a bipartisan committee convened by Rep. Chris Cox looked into issues of Chinese espionage and technology transfer. Over at Justice, meanwhile, the Attorney General resolutely refused to follow the recommendations of either FBI director Louis Freeh or her handpicked prosecutor, Charles La Bella, to appoint an independent counsel to look into any Chinese connection to the 1996 campaign.." FoxNews 3/17/99 Crier report interviews Timperlake author of Year of the Rat - Freeper Jobim reports ".Why did Clinton sell out? For the money. A quest for power. Then you need to cover your tracks. Riadys had John Huang working with them for a long time. Riady $ was to get Huang in the government. Hubbell was at ground zero in the entire conspiracy. Huang got clearance 5 &1/2 months before he showed up for work. Huang received documents that were stamped: COULD LEAD TO HANDLERS DEATH. 1996 - Clinton needed money. Loral sends committee over to help the Chinese. Berger gave Loral a get-out-of-jail-free card. 20 missiles have ready capability to go to 200 with miniature nuke tips.." ".Bob McMillan: "unorthodox procedures" allowed China to take control of both Panama Canal ports. Chinese investments are continuing to grow in Panama. 12/31 are troops are gone and 80% of Panamanians want us there. Why?." FoxNews 3/17/99 Crier report interviews Timperlake author of Year of the Rat - Freeper ohmlaw98 reports "..Hubbell at center...Enter Riady hush money Huang ....no record of actual birth date.....39 cia biefings.....109 meetings with CI...."Release to unauthorized source could result in death" Huang...$5.00 charged to US taxpayer from residence in PRC Pass secrets to Lippo through Stevens & co. after briefings with CI Loral..donations total 2.2 million severe opposition for justice... "get out of jail free " W-88 space launch vehicle 200 thermnuclear devices in near future... severe deterrence problems and proliferation problems with China in near future.....Timperlake served on Rules Committee investigation team with Solomon..Johnny Chung....Background identification? [B R E A K] Robert McMillan..Panama Canal control by China/PLA via Riady....Johnny Chung brought individuals from China..Liu Chioying....Marswell...300,000...been to spy schools....Triplett co-author....Have 2 ports at each end due to unorthodox procedures by Ambassador ?....Liu involved in Panama deal for $22,000,000...McMillan...Clinton "absolutely asleep" negotiating the continuation of troops in panama 80% of citizens in Panama wanted US Troops to remain.....Timperlake.....Arms running.....Administration has not invoked any proliferation laws....N Korea & China sharing "overheads" with missle tech. Chinese military curve accelerating upward on Clinton's watch..He took the money and said I don't care...." Nate Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: My thoughts on Education > Simple comparison, how many investigations were made of the Clinton > administration during his two terms in office. Compare that with the Reagan > administration. Which administration had 29 felony convictions as an > outcome of those investigations, and which one had only one indictment? > I'll give you a hint, Reagan's administration had far more than one felony > conviction during its tenure in office. > > Another comparison. Which administration ran up the largest debt since the > great depression and which one all but eliminated that debt? > > Simple questions no? > > If you use the exact same standard for both administrations, economically > the Clinton administration presided over the largest economic expansion > since the 1920's. The national economy actually shrank during Reagan's term. > > Now which administration was the more successful of the 2? > > At 04:38 PM 5/31/02 -0500, you wrote: > >The comment "They were failures in Texas and now he's trying to achieve the > >same failure nationally." is not only un-founded, it is ridiculous and plain > >argumentative. > > > >I personally feel there has been no greater tragedy to this country than the > >Clinton/Gore team - yet others loved them. With eight years of opportunity > >to fix such problems, you still have the nerve to criticize someone trying > >to accomplish the goals you (key word : STILL) strive for. Will it be > >perfect? Likely not, but a step in the right direction, I think so. > > > >Even though I personally hold Clinton and Gore in high contempt for their > >poor performance, I believe deep down that they did not actually ~try~ to > >achieve their failures - I think every man has good intentions in their own > >right, including those that I detest such as them. > > > >Furthermore, I live in TX, and can honestly say that the only reason I would > >ever want Bush out of office, is that I could enjoy his level-headed > >politics as Governor. The fact remains that the over-all Texas education > >scores rose with the changes he made. There were a number of positive > >changes such as increased salaries and holding teachers responsible for > >their students performance that even democrats have cried for. As president > >I look forward to some long-needed changes that I think he has and will > >deliver. > > > >Where do you get off saying such comments as "now he's trying to . . ."? > >Such mud-slinging doesn't belong in a debate or reasonable conversational > >argument. It's so poor in character, it hardly even a response. > > > >bleh.. . heh > > > >Nate Nielsen > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:42 PM > >Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > I'm reporting on my own experience as an educational researcher. I was > > > brought in by contract funded by a private foundation. part of our report > > > directly linked the educational performance of Houston area schools with > > > policies initiated by the Bush administration when he was governor of > >Texas. > > > Specific withdrawal of reading readiness program funding is one example. > > > > > > I have always thought that past performance is the best predictor of > >present > > > or future performance. Reading Governor Bush's past performance on > >education > > > so far is turning out to be a very good predictor of his current and > >future > > > education policies. They were failures in Texas and now he's trying to > > > achieve the same failure nationally. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > EBStor.com > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > -- > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Nate Nielsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:43 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we have brought Bush into the conversation out of left > > > > field - heheh. > > > > I thought I would post this non-biased link of the campaign > > > > comparisons of > > > > Al and George for education. > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/resources/where.they.stand/in > > > > dex.html#educa > > > > tion > > > > > > > > Of course the most obvious difference would be Gore spending > > > > 100 times more > > > > money than Bush. > > > > > > > > I guess I am one of those "less government" people. =P It seems the > > > > democrats are hell bent on turning america into a communist > > > > nation, after > > > > all - if we continue this dangerous democratic spending > > > > behavior and unfair > > > > economic based taxing, eventually we will all make the same > > > > exact amount of > > > > money, and the government will control it. *sigh* > > > > > > > > I realize that there are needs to be met, programs that we > > > > socially need - > > > > but where does it end? > > > > > > > > And in advance before anyone gets their panties in a wad - I am not > > > > attacking anyone, republican or democrat - I am simply opening the > > > > discussion based on the spending and taxing differences > > > > between the parties. > > > > I still love you demo's - if we only had one part, boy would we be in > > > > trouble - lol > > > > > > > > Nate Nielsen > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM > > > > Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by government. Those programs that I saw > > > > that worked > > > > > required Government involvement. I object to poor > > > > involvement not none. > > > > for > > > > > example, the failures I saw in the Houston school system > > > > could be directly > > > > > attributable to the government of Governor George W. Bush's > > > > non-involvement > > > > > in education. That is a prime example of your wanting to > > > > get government > > > > out > > > > > of the schools. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:58 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree. Do you see a pattern to all the things you like > > > > > > though Larry, > > > > > > parent involvement, volunteers, etc. They don't involve the > > > > > > government. > > > > > > Get the government out of education and I think you will see > > > > > > the system > > > > > > improve dramatically. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:53 PM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > There are magnet schools in almost every school district > > > > specifically > > > > > > intended for this purpose. Frequently these magnet schools are far > > > > > > better > > > > > > institutions than most private schools. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover I strongly disagree with backwarding (confining to the > > > > > > equivalent > > > > > > of the back ward in a psych hospital) kids in public > > > > schools. Their > > > > > > development is as important as every other kid's. Your > > > > experience is > > > > > > typical. There just was not enough help in the school room. > > > > > > > > > > > > One proposal has been to use classroom assistants to reduce the > > > > > > teacher-student ratio. thus when teachers have to deal > > > > with special > > > > > > needs > > > > > > students who have, the assistants can pick up the slack. > > > > They can be > > > > > > either > > > > > > paid or volunteer aides. Another > > > > > > > > > > > > Another way of alleviating this is to use parents to help > > > > out in the > > > > > > schools. One of the best things I saw in a couple of the schools I > > > > > > looked at > > > > > > on this project in Houston was parental involvement. That had the > > > > > > greatest > > > > > > impact on the student school performance. We saw > > > > significant increases > > > > > > in > > > > > > attendance, for all kids not just the kids of the aide, > > > > both school > > > > > > grades > > > > > > and standardized test performances also showed significant > > > > > > improvement. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've also done parallel analyses on some of the NORC data > > > > > > (http://www.NORC.org) using a population of about 3000 > > > > 5th through 8th > > > > > > graders, in the cohort years 1987 through 1990, and found > > > > very similar > > > > > > results. Parental involvement and teacher-student ratio had a much > > > > > > greater > > > > > > influence on subsequent academic performance. They had > > > > > > considerably more > > > > > > influence than for instance whether the student went to a > > > > public or > > > > > > private > > > > > > school or socio-economic status. > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:31 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want just choice. I want to see privatized schools > > > > > > that cater > > > > > > > to those with problems. There were many times that I was > > > > > > held up in a > > > > > > > class because a teacher had to cater to someone else who > > > > > > wasn't at the > > > > > > > same level. Albeit that didn't happen as much in the AP > > > > > > > classes I took. > > > > > > > Have a school that caters to gifted children and gives them > > > > > > > the specific > > > > > > > attention they need and have a school that gives specific > > > > > > attention to > > > > > > > those who have needs in other areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:25 PM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes the Wonderful world of vouchers, the panacea of all of our > > > > > > > educational > > > > > > > woes. Do I hear skimming here? No private school is required > > > > > > > to take the > > > > > > > special needs kids that public schools are required to do > > > > > > so by law. I > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > have no problem with vouchers if the exact same > > > > standards for public > > > > > > > education are applied to private schools in order to > > > > > > receive vouchers. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > includes all constitutionality issues and issues of free > > > > > > access. Your > > > > > > > local > > > > > > > religious school would have to deal with those kids with > > > > > > tourettes or > > > > > > > Autism > > > > > > > or ADHD etc at certain minimal standards or those kids who > > > > > > > get fed as an > > > > > > > afterthought, instead of not allowing them in the school in > > > > > > the first > > > > > > > place. > > > > > > > if a sectarian school, or any private school want to > > > > get government > > > > > > > money or > > > > > > > services then they have to follow minimal standards. I would > > > > > > > not be too > > > > > > > surprised if the exact same standards have to be met by > > > > > > > private schools, > > > > > > > most will quickly drop out. Quite rapidly this so-called > > > > > > school choice > > > > > > > becomes no choice at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:11 PM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The wonderful world of vouchers. I get the same amount of > > > > > > > tax dollars > > > > > > > > that is spent on my son to go to public school. Of > > > > course this > > > > > > > > transition takes time and you have to do it right. Otherwise > > > > > > > > the public > > > > > > > > schools, as they faze out will be a wreck. So at the same > > > > > > > > time I think > > > > > > > > additional funds would be needed to help them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: William H. Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:09 PM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alright, I'll bite... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and we'll start simple, one point at a time (one point at a > > > > > > > time offer > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > valid in all states or states of mind... ;-) > > > > > > > > How do you propose that these "privatized" schools > > > > make money, not > > > > > > > > necessarily profit mind you, but just meet operating expenses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > William H. Bowen > > > > > > > > Webmaster > > > > > > > > ALSTOM's Energy Management & Markets Business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > http://www.esca.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:01 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: My thoughts on Education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally I am not a big fan of public education. My son > > > > > > > > will attend > > > > > > > > > private schools, unless there is a fundamental > > > > change. I think > > > > > > > > schools > > > > > > > > > should be privatized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 12:56 PM > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Slowly I crawl back....i'll be nice this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its still happening - feel free to jump in with your > > > > > > > > education system > > > > > > > > > opinions at any time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Slowly I crawl back....i'll be nice this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok I'm back....in the words of Eminem...life just > > > > > > isn't any fun > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > me. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see I missed one of my favorite debates when I > > > > looked at the > > > > > > > > > archives, > > > > > > > > > > our public education system! Darn it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
