Replace corporation with union and resubmit. .
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > We did have limitations and the Roberts supreme court just eliminated them. > Congress should have started impeachment proceedings immediately after the > Citizens United ruling. That was unabashed politics at it's worst. I do > think the only way to make sure we have restrictions that stick is to make > sure they are in an amendment. Corps have WAY too much power because they > have access to WAY more money that the average Joe does and thus they have > WAY more influence on the political process than we do. I think they should > not be able to donate anything to the political process. Corporations are > not people...I think that the concept that they are is completely > ridiculous. They can't serve in office, they can't serve in the military, > they cannot be put in jail or be executed for crimes, and they cannot do > anything a living human can do. Should they have rights and > protections...sure...we don't want to see abuses coming from the other side > either, but they do not have free speech, the do not have a right to > influence politics. That right there is a no brainer to me. If a company > can donate money to a candidate and any of the employees can donate to a > candidate, then that is double dipping. Plus it is not right that a > corporation should be able to donate since it is made of many individuals > and I would be highly surprised to find many situations where everyone in > the company agrees. I think the same should apply to unions and other > organizations. That is why I am all for public financing of elections. You > get x amount of dollars to spend and that is it. Not donations, no personal > funds, everyone is on an even playing field and no one has a financial > advantage because they are independently wealthy or their donors are > wealthier than their opponents. No PACS or other groups that can run ads or > sponsor events that would offset costs...everything has to be financed from > the amount given to a candidate. This would stop swift boating and other > reprehensible tactics. The other thing that needs to be added into the > equation is accountability. If a candidate makes a statement and it is a > false statement, there needs to be legal liabilities. Mudslinging is one > thing, but when you start making shit up, that is another. > > I am not sure I would want to live to see that because that sounds like a > lead in into the Terminator ;-). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Munn [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 01:19 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: So this Wisconsin Thing > > > That's why we need a Constitutional amendment limiting the power of > corporations. > > Let's step back for a second and consider why the current situation is > unsustainable, and how the current trajectory of our economy reveals a fatal > flaw in our current incarnation of capitalism and free markets. By > definition, corporate managers and boards are duty-bound to maximize profits > for their shareholders. > > The natural outcome of this situation is the elimination of most US-based > labor. It will happen, and it will happen this century. Ray Kurzweil has > calculated that technology is now advancing exponentially across all fields, > and he figures we'll come to the Singularity in 2045. He figures by then > machines will be able to design and build newer, even more sophisticated > technology on their own and us slow-thinking humans will be left in the > dust. Assuming the availability of resources for all of this technological > growth, robots and AIs could run everything in just a few years. > > Bear with me for a second, even if you don't buy Kurzweil's argument. The > end result of our current capitalist system would be that, while humans > would technically have no need to work at all since machines could do > everything for us, only shareholders in the surviving companies that owned > the technology would benefit from such stunning advances. They would have > all the money, all the resources, and everyone else would have nothing. > Nothing, that is, except the votes to elect a government that will use those > technologies to provide most everything for everyone. Science fiction? I > wonder. I hope I'm still around ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:334617 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
