The reports of the NASA I think carry more weight than a set of opinions. Moreover the questions can be very easily manipulated to get any conclusion you want. Therefore, physical data is of greater weight than a questionnaire survey.
larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:26 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > Larry, > > Don't you think that the people who were polled have access to the > "physical measurement?" These people are experts in their field. I > think they would know better than you. So if I asked members of the > Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society if they > thought, based on the evidence if global warming was a serious threat > and they said "No" and then I asked you and you said "Yes" > who should I > believe? We all know scientific data can be distorted any number of > ways. I tend to believe the experts. Just like the former > President of > the National Academy of Sciences. He must be wrong though, > what does he > know. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:19 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > Physical measurement is far stronger evidence than opinion polls. > > Besides argument from authority is not a valid argument. > > -- > Larry C. Lyons > ColdFusion/Web Developer > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > EBStor.com > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > tel: (703) 393-7930 > fax: (703) 393-2659 > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > http://www.pacel.com > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:13 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > Here Larry, > > > > There is obviously evidence that goes both ways: Check the > last one, > > obviously not everyone who is or was associated with the National > > Academy of Sciences agrees. This is hard data, that you > > prefer to rely > > on: > > > > A Gallup poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the > > Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society > think that > > the warming of the 20th century has been a result of greenhouse gas > > emissions - principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels. > > > > (Those guys would seem to be "reputable") > > > > Only 13 percent of the scientists responding to a survey > conducted by > > the environmental organization Greenpeace (My Quote Here: You > > think they > > would be biased wouldn't you?) believe catastrophic climate > > change will > > result from continuing current patterns of energy use. > > > > More than 100 noted scientists, including the former > president of the > > National Academy of Sciences, signed a letter declaring that costly > > actions to reduce greenhouse gases are not justified by the best > > available evidence. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:01 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > The scientific literature in peer reviewed journals of quality are > > unanimous > > about it. Global warming is occurring, and it follows with > > the increase > > in > > the emissions of greenhouse gasses by humans. The data are > quite clear > > despite what certain ideologies state. The national academies of > > sciences > > has a very good site about the scientific evidence for warming, for > > instance: > > http://www4.nationalacademies.org/onpi/webextra.nsf/44bf87db30 > > 9563a08525 > > 66f2 > > 006d63bb/345cb310c049adb185256a840058568e?OpenDocument > > > > To quote part of the document: > > Part of the debate over global warming centers on > disparities between > > the > > surface temperature and upper-air temperature. While the > > Earth's surface > > temperature has risen, data collected by satellites and > balloon-borne > > instruments since 1979 indicate little if any warming of the > > low-to mid- > > troposphere. The report concurs with a previous Research > > Council report > > that > > said despite these differences, "the warming trend in the > global mean > > surface temperature observations during the past 20 years is > > undoubtedly > > real and is substantially greater than the average rate of > warming in > > the > > 20th century." > > -- > > > > As I have said previously, I prefer hard data from reputable > > scientists > > whose results are published in peer reviewed journals to > the output of > > researchers who use dubious methods and come to very precarious > > conclusions > > that fit what their corporate or political masters want. > Its something > > to do > > with valid scientific research rather than ideology. > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:29 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > > I knew that "If global warming is real" sentence would catch > > > someone, I > > > figured it would be Larry too. I agree that the earth is > > > warming, what > > > I don't agree with is the cause. Mother Earth releases more > > > greenhouse > > > gases than we do as humans, period. The amount of fossil > > fuel we burn > > > creates a miniscule amount of Greenhouse gases compared > to what the > > > Earth releases itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:25 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > If global warming is real? Then what does the American Academy of > > > Sciences > > > think that it is. What does the Bush Administration and the > > EPA think > > > that > > > it occurring. > > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55031-2002Jun3.html To > > > quote > > > the article: > > > > > > Impact of Climate Change Outlined > > > EPA Report Blames Humans, Prescribes Voluntary Measures > > > > > > By John Heilprin > > > Associated Press > > > Tuesday, June 4, 2002; Page A02 > > > > > > > > > The Bush administration has outlined significant > > environmental impacts > > > from > > > climate change, possibly within decades, in a report to the United > > > Nations. > > > But the administration stood firm on its plans to address > > > heat-trapping > > > "greenhouse" pollution by urging voluntary measures and > avoiding the > > > Kyoto > > > climate treaty. > > > > > > For the first time, the administration laid most of the blame > > > for recent > > > warming on human actions, pointing to fossil fuel burning > > > that releases > > > carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere, > > > according > > > to the report released by the Environmental Protection Agency. > > > > > > "The changes observed over the last several decades are > > likely mostly > > > due to > > > human activities, but we cannot rule out that some > > significant part of > > > these > > > changes is also a reflection of natural variability," the > > report says. > > > > > > The contents of the paper, submitted to the United Nations, > > were first > > > reported yesterday by the New York Times. > > > > > > The report also says that despite some lingering scientific > > > uncertainties, > > > "there is general agreement that the observed warming is > > real and has > > > been > > > particularly strong within the past 20 years." > > > > > > Last year, the White House described climate change as a > > serious issue > > > after > > > consulting the National Academy of Sciences, but it was > > > undecided about > > > how > > > much of the problem should be blamed on human activities. > > > President Bush > > > favors a climate plan with voluntary measures that would > > seek to slow > > > the > > > rate of growth in gas emissions but also would allow them > > to continue > > > rising. > > > > > > He opposes regulating carbon dioxide emissions from power > > > plants, unlike > > > legislation sought by Sen. James M. Jeffords (I-Vt.), > > chairman of the > > > Environment and Public Works Committee, and some Democrats. > > > -- > > > > > > What is really laughable is the voluntary emissions program. > > > If its done > > > the > > > same way as what the then Governor Shrub set up the > > voluntary program > > > for > > > air pollution in Texas, then we would be seeing a really > > > large increase > > > in > > > greenhouse gases in the next couple of years. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > -- > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > EBStor.com > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > -- > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:13 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > > > > > Well if Global Warming is real, then the amount of > > Methane Gas, much > > > > more potent the Co2, that the Cows in Ireland release > > would have to > > > > contribute to the Greenhouse effect and thus Reagan was right! > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 7:34 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > Sounds like you're emulating Reagan, who thought ducks caused > > > > acid rain > > > > and > > > > cows global warming. scary part of it was that he was serious. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > > > > EBStor.com > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:25 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well poop....my ass is causing global warming...forget my > > > > > SUV. We must > > > > > tell mother nature to make more low emission > > > > gastrointestinal tracks. > > > > > Where is Corporate Average Flatulence Emission Standards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:13 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: EU quota likely for flatulent cows > > > > > > > > > > Restricted - HOW ? > > > > > "put a cork in it" ?? > > > > > > > > > > > Gas emissions from flatulent cows could soon be > > > restricted by a EU > > > > > quota system > > > > > > as penal as that imposed on milk production, an > > > > > > agricultural expert has predicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Environmental scientist Professor Frank Convery claims > > > > cows breaking > > > > > wind and > > > > > > belching account for 35% of Ireland's green-house gas > > > > > > emissions. These have been linked to global climate change. > > > > > > > > > > > > "When you have an agricultural economy - we have over > > > > eight million > > > > > cows in the > > > > > > Republic of Ireland - you end up producing a lot of > > > > > > greenhouse gas. It's similar in Northern Ireland," he said. > > > > > > > > > > > > More here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/northern_ireland/newsid_66 > > > > 2000/66239 > > > > 7.stm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
