It's what happens when you also wage a war of terror instead of justice. Israel has made it's own bed...
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 02:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Israel PM rejects 1967 border proposal. First off, I was paraphrasing Golda Meir who summed up Israel's position in the Middle East: "The Muslims can fight and lose, then come back and fight again. But Israel can only lose once." But lets go with your disagreement on my use of a generalized "The Arabs". The Arabs in the countries that make up the Middle East have been taught to hate Jews in their holy books, by their leaders, by just about everything that teaches them. So when I say the Arab world, I'm seriously and rightfully talking at least 51%(and definitely more) of the people in that world. Polls have show it. Actions have shown it. History has shown it. But if you want I can say the Arab League instead. They don't accept Israel and they were the source of the famous 3 NOs. No peace, no recognition, no negotiations. But lets say Israel's neighbors and their leaders. The government of Lebanon and Syria are both officially at war with Israel and have rallied their people against Israel time and again. Lebanon is the home of Hizballah and Syria hosts a number of terrorist organizations. If a war broke out, they would both be on the front lines. In fact, Hizballah was responsible for a war just recently. Jordan has a peace treaty but it's challenged almost daily by people in the government and outside of it. A soldier who massacred a class of schoolgirls is considered a hero by many, including the new justice minister and the countries trade unions. If a war came, they may join in or may not as a government but groups within the country definitely will. Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel that is worth paper and little else. If a war came, they'd be part of it. They've been training for it and their stockpile of weapons is formidable. Hamas is a no brainier but if you look at the education in the PA, it is still anti-Israel to the point of hate. Shall I go on? The core problem is not land, it is recognition. > People forget a simple rule. The Arabs can lose as often as they want > but > > Israel can only lose once. That's why a defensible border is necessary. > > "The Arabs"? Is that like "The Jews"? Israel has countries in its > region. Each country has a different leadership, a different history > and a different relationship with Israel and with the sudden changes > in governments in the region right now, all of that is in flux. Jordan > is very different from Syria which is different from Saudi Arabia. And > if Israel wants to know what it's like to lose a country, they should > have a conversation with Lebanon. > > Israel needs to be able to defend itself. Talking about "the Arabs" as > if they were all a single mass united against them isn't the way to > peace and prosperity. They have a truly difficult road ahead of them > just like the road behind them and it is beset with a lot of enemies. > Hopefully the changes that are sweeping through the region will change > that landscape and continue on to change things in Israel as well the > various Arab countries and we can finally move past the same points > that have caused everyone on all sides to be stuck for a generation or > more. Won't hold my breath though. > > Judah > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:338298 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
