There are two things happening here. the theory, which is a scientific 
construct attempting to model the natural phenomenon of evolution. Then there 
is evolution or the action of variation in allels over time. I'm trying to be 
as careful as I can here with my wording, but it is difficult to condense.

Except for a few extreme YEC adherents, even the majority of creationists 
acknowledge that evolution itself happens (read what the ICR or Discovery 
Institute says about micro- vs macro-evolution). What they typically disagree 
with is the mechanism behind evolution.

> But that's like saying an iPhone is a fact but the description isn't.
> 
> Maybe the miss here is that a theory describes interaction and makes 
> predictions about other facts.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Larry Lyons <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > There are two things goin on here, the THEORY of evolution and the 
> FACT of evolution. The theory tries to explain the mechanism involved. 
> That's the scientific theory. The fact is that evolution happens, it 
> is the change of allels over time. That is reality. 
> > 
> >> Very true. but evolution is one of the most studied, and verified, 
> theories
> >> in science. As theories go, it's pretty rock solid.
> >> 
> >> But Sam is right, anyone who calls evolution a "fact" should 
> probably be
> >> corrected....after all, if we are going to hold people accountable 
> for
> >> discounting evolution as a "theory" because they don't understand 
> the true
> >> scientific meaning of the word, then WE must be sure to hold our 
> words to
> >> their scientific meanings as well. Evolution is not a scientific 
> fact, it is
> >> a scientific theory.
> >> 
> >> Sam knows full well the weight that scientific theory holds, and 
> he's never
> >> doubted or debated against it....he just questions the validity of 
> calling
> >> it a "fact", and semantically and scientifically speaking, he's 
> right.
> >> 
> >> So if we can just clear up these silly semantics, i don't think 
> there is any
> >> disagreement here. 
> > 
> > 

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