yep there really is no question. You can see the -- whatever -- coming from the police lines. There is one place also (in fairness) where a teargas cannister gets thrown into police lines. But the ex-Marine that was hurt was not in that. He was just standing there next to the Veterans for Peace flag. Not yelling or anything. If you go through some of the youtube videos, you can see him on at least two different cameras. He failed to disperse, sure, apparently planned on being arrested, but otherwise did not provoke the police attack at all.
And I think the video that showed how close they threw the flash-bang from was a local NBC affiliate's... they aren't exactly known for being stoner new agers. Still I want to be careful with my words. Some of the video can't be called unedited -- it has voiceover and a ring around particular police officers at a minimum. And this is true of footage of that flash-bang getting thrown in Oakland and of women getting pepper-sprayed in New York. But these videos make an accusation that really needs investigation and presumably that investigation would include a look at raw footage. I mean, look at the video. That girl in the orange top is screaming, and some of the guys run up, this after an order to disperse, ok, sure, but they are bending over the guy on the ground and not acting in a threatening manner at all. That Asian -- Filipino?-- woman's arrest made the front page of the San Jose paper, I just noticed, btw. The force is so disproportionate. One unarmed 90-pound woman, half a dozen police officers with batons. They were hitting her long after she was down, it looks like in the videos, and as best I can tell all she did before that was mouth off. Interestingly, several police officers were also filming, though, probably not that part -- they would have been more interested in documenting why they might feel threatened. So hey. They should make that footage public. That's what I say. I also wanna know why officer 327 felt he had to beat up a woman who does not appear to have fought back. Interesting side note, the resolution is good enough to confirm that he is on the Oakland force. That matters because Oakland police apparently have a protocol that was broken, and one question being raised was whether it would have applied to say a San Francisco police officer who was on loan. Apparently there were more than a dozen police forces participating. All in all, now that I *have* done some research I am dismayed and feel a little sick. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you watch the video, you can see the flash bang go off...there is a > bright flash with sparks, for lack of a better term, so it it's not a camera > flash or anything like that. It is definitely the result of an explosive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 7:45 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: you guys are too quiet > > > meant to add a link: > > http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111027/00083116531/e-parasites-bill-end-i > nternet-as-we-know-it.shtml > > yeah someone announces the end of the internet every year or so, but > honestly, they have had time to notice that their little scheme does pretty > much what the great firewall of china does, and they seem to like the idea. > It would allow, for example, the Men in Black (or > whoever) to a) get rid of youtube and b) redirect traffic searching for oh > let's say "occupy wall street" to some other arbitrary site. > Hijinks no doubt ensue. > > Speaking of Youtube, I've just spent a little time looking at a bunch of > videos of the Occupy Oakland tear gas incident, and the police had to know > the down protester was a vet. First clue, he was wearing camouflage. Second, > he was standing right next to the guy in Navy uniform waving the big-ass > white "Veterans for Peace" flag. And he got hit in the head at very short > range? Not that it's less horrible if it happens to someone else, but I > would have thought he had earned a llittle respect, or at least the right to > medical assistance without further police attacks. > > And oh yeah, some of it's TV news coverage, probably copyright, tsk tsk, but > that's the one where you see they threw the flash-bang from maybe 10 feet > away at most. As someone says in the video, wtf. > Possibly Youtube's last hurrah in the arena of citizen journalism though. > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> not sooner than *I* think. I didn't add that bit out of random >> paranoia. I wrote about COICA several months ago. Fusion Authority is >> down, not sure what's up with that, but once it's not, that would be >> the "government seizes 84,000 domain names by mistake" article. What I >> have not done is a compare and contrast with the new bill -- they >> reintroduce it every session -- but apparently it's worse than the old >> bill. >> >> Oh and Youtube totally gets outlawed. Ooops. >> >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Those changes may be coming sooner than you think. >>> >>> Already there are two copyright bills on the cards to make singing >>> music and distributing it via sites like YouTube a crime. >>> >>> That means that artists like Justin Beiber and others would have >>> never been discovered if this law was in place. Go through and see >>> any of a number of videos on youtube that have any sort of music, or >>> that portray young artists doing covers....all that will be gone. >>> >>> Now couple that with the bill that would allow law enforcement >>> without a judge to shut down a site and effectively remove it from >>> the DNS records in the United States (read the World), and you have >>> your dystopian future very close at hand. >>> >>> Occupy needs to become militant, they need to embrace their right to >>> carry arms just like the Tea Party protestors. >>> >>> They are already changing the laws in some cities to prevent >>> gatherings in parks overnight, so no one can camp out as what happened in > Egypt. >>> >>> It's alright for "those countries" but keep that freedom sh** out of >>> the US thank you very much! >>> >>> What is boggling is that they are showing live footage of the > "attrocities" >>> in Syria, they showed Tunisia, Egypt we saw running battles between >>> police and protestors that forced the government to back off. In the >>> US we have to search for these videos on YouTube or come across them on > SOcial Media. >>> >>> The US Media is failing its own people at broadcasting what is >>> happening in its own country. It is incredible to actually see this >>> happening, to see the predictions of social engineering and media >>> control really playing out before your eyes. >>> >>> Because NO ONE can tell me this isn't news! >>> Controversy! Tragedy! Sympathetic Stories! Good grief they don't have >>> to do much to make a goddamn movie out of this stuff, and News >>> organisations >>> *aren't* all over it? 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