I should say, thrown *back* into police lines. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > yep there really is no question. You can see the -- whatever -- coming > from the police lines. There is one place also (in fairness) where a > teargas cannister gets thrown into police lines. But the ex-Marine > that was hurt was not in that. He was just standing there next to the > Veterans for Peace flag. Not yelling or anything. If you go through > some of the youtube videos, you can see him on at least two different > cameras. He failed to disperse, sure, apparently planned on being > arrested, but otherwise did not provoke the police attack at all. > > And I think the video that showed how close they threw the flash-bang > from was a local NBC affiliate's... they aren't exactly known for > being stoner new agers. > > Still I want to be careful with my words. Some of the video can't be > called unedited -- it has voiceover and a ring around particular > police officers at a minimum. And this is true of footage of that > flash-bang getting thrown in Oakland and of women getting > pepper-sprayed in New York. But these videos make an accusation that > really needs investigation and presumably that investigation would > include a look at raw footage. I mean, look at the video. That girl in > the orange top is screaming, and some of the guys run up, this after > an order to disperse, ok, sure, but they are bending over the guy on > the ground and not acting in a threatening manner at all. > > That Asian -- Filipino?-- woman's arrest made the front page of the > San Jose paper, I just noticed, btw. The force is so disproportionate. > One unarmed 90-pound woman, half a dozen police officers with batons. > They were hitting her long after she was down, it looks like in the > videos, and as best I can tell all she did before that was mouth off. > Interestingly, several police officers were also filming, though, > probably not that part -- they would have been more interested in > documenting why they might feel threatened. So hey. They should make > that footage public. That's what I say. I also wanna know why officer > 327 felt he had to beat up a woman who does not appear to have fought > back. Interesting side note, the resolution is good enough to confirm > that he is on the Oakland force. That matters because Oakland police > apparently have a protocol that was broken, and one question being > raised was whether it would have applied to say a San Francisco police > officer who was on loan. Apparently there were more than a dozen > police forces participating. > > All in all, now that I *have* done some research I am dismayed and > feel a little sick. > > > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If you watch the video, you can see the flash bang go off...there is a >> bright flash with sparks, for lack of a better term, so it it's not a camera >> flash or anything like that. It is definitely the result of an explosive. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 7:45 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: you guys are too quiet >> >> >> meant to add a link: >> >> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111027/00083116531/e-parasites-bill-end-i >> nternet-as-we-know-it.shtml >> >> yeah someone announces the end of the internet every year or so, but >> honestly, they have had time to notice that their little scheme does pretty >> much what the great firewall of china does, and they seem to like the idea. >> It would allow, for example, the Men in Black (or >> whoever) to a) get rid of youtube and b) redirect traffic searching for oh >> let's say "occupy wall street" to some other arbitrary site. >> Hijinks no doubt ensue. >> >> Speaking of Youtube, I've just spent a little time looking at a bunch of >> videos of the Occupy Oakland tear gas incident, and the police had to know >> the down protester was a vet. First clue, he was wearing camouflage. Second, >> he was standing right next to the guy in Navy uniform waving the big-ass >> white "Veterans for Peace" flag. And he got hit in the head at very short >> range? Not that it's less horrible if it happens to someone else, but I >> would have thought he had earned a llittle respect, or at least the right to >> medical assistance without further police attacks. >> >> And oh yeah, some of it's TV news coverage, probably copyright, tsk tsk, but >> that's the one where you see they threw the flash-bang from maybe 10 feet >> away at most. As someone says in the video, wtf. >> Possibly Youtube's last hurrah in the arena of citizen journalism though. >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >>> not sooner than *I* think. I didn't add that bit out of random >>> paranoia. I wrote about COICA several months ago. Fusion Authority is >>> down, not sure what's up with that, but once it's not, that would be >>> the "government seizes 84,000 domain names by mistake" article. What I >>> have not done is a compare and contrast with the new bill -- they >>> reintroduce it every session -- but apparently it's worse than the old >>> bill. >>> >>> Oh and Youtube totally gets outlawed. Ooops. >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Those changes may be coming sooner than you think. >>>> >>>> Already there are two copyright bills on the cards to make singing >>>> music and distributing it via sites like YouTube a crime. >>>> >>>> That means that artists like Justin Beiber and others would have >>>> never been discovered if this law was in place. Go through and see >>>> any of a number of videos on youtube that have any sort of music, or >>>> that portray young artists doing covers....all that will be gone. >>>> >>>> Now couple that with the bill that would allow law enforcement >>>> without a judge to shut down a site and effectively remove it from >>>> the DNS records in the United States (read the World), and you have >>>> your dystopian future very close at hand. >>>> >>>> Occupy needs to become militant, they need to embrace their right to >>>> carry arms just like the Tea Party protestors. >>>> >>>> They are already changing the laws in some cities to prevent >>>> gatherings in parks overnight, so no one can camp out as what happened in >> Egypt. >>>> >>>> It's alright for "those countries" but keep that freedom sh** out of >>>> the US thank you very much! >>>> >>>> What is boggling is that they are showing live footage of the >> "attrocities" >>>> in Syria, they showed Tunisia, Egypt we saw running battles between >>>> police and protestors that forced the government to back off. In the >>>> US we have to search for these videos on YouTube or come across them on >> SOcial Media. >>>> >>>> The US Media is failing its own people at broadcasting what is >>>> happening in its own country. It is incredible to actually see this >>>> happening, to see the predictions of social engineering and media >>>> control really playing out before your eyes. >>>> >>>> Because NO ONE can tell me this isn't news! >>>> Controversy! Tragedy! Sympathetic Stories! Good grief they don't have >>>> to do much to make a goddamn movie out of this stuff, and News >>>> organisations >>>> *aren't* all over it? Pfft...somethings very wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>
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