I think it is Ironic that the American criminologist is from a town called Battleground and the Canadian guy's last name is Mauser...
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > NO I went to their website and then went to a couple of charity > watchdog sites, such as > > http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10196 > > and looked them up. I also did the same for the Harvard School For > Public Health project I cited. That one receives money from the Joyce > Foundation and the CDC. Last I checked the CDC is not what you'd call > a liberal organization, except in the minds of some extremist > conservatives. > > Second, I really do not think that a screed published as an op ed > piece in a student publication has the same weight as multiple studies > in peer reviewed journals such as the New England Journal of Medicine > or Public Health. If you think that it does then you're woefully > ignorant of how this process works for real science, not the pseudo > science promoted by the right wing. > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > "Always follow the source. The ACRU is a right wing think tank with lots > of > > funding from extremely conservative groups. Interesting to see who is on > > the board:" > > > > Sure. That's why any studies you find promoting gun control are > > predominately generated by the left. > > > > Anyway, here's a link to the actual study published by Harvard Law > > > > > http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf > > > > Some good excerpts: > > > > > > Since at least 1965, the false assertion that the United States has > > the industrialized worldâs highest murder rate has been an artifact > > of politically motivated Soviet minimization designed to hide the > > true homicide rates. Since well before that date, the Soviet Union > > possessed extremely stringent gun controls > > that were effectuated by a police state apparatus providing stringent > > enforcement. > > So successful was that regime that few Russian civilians now have > > firearms and very few murders involve them. > > Yet, manifest success in keeping its people disarmed did not prevent the > > Soviet > > Union from having far and away the highest murder rate in the > > developed world.In the 1960s and early 1970s, the gunâless Soâ > > viet Unionâs murder rates paralleled or generally exceeded those > > of gunâridden America. While American rates stabilized and then > > steeply declined, however, Russian murder increased so drastiâ > > cally that by the early 1990s the Russian rate was three times > > higher than that of the United States. Between 1998â2004 (the latâ > > est figure available for Russia), Russian murder rates were nearly > > four times higher than American rates. Similar murder rates also > > characterize the Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and various > > other nowâindependent European nations of the former U.S.S.R. > > > > Thus, in the United States and the former Soviet Union transitionâ > > ing into currentâday Russia, âhomicide results suggest that wher > > guns are scarce other weapons are substituted in killings.â > > While American gun ownership is quite high, Table 1 shows many other > > developed nations (e.g., Norway, Finland, Germany, France, > > Denmark) with high rates of gun ownership. These countries, > > however, have murder rates as low or lower than many develâ > > oped nations in which gun ownership is much rarer. For example, > > Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership > > of any kind of gun is minimal, > > > > The same pattern appears when comparisons of violence to > > gun ownership are made within nations. Indeed, âdata on fireâ > > arms ownership by constabulary area in England,â like data > > from the United States, show âa negative correlation,â that is, > > âwhere firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, > > and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highâ > > est.â > > > > ... > > > > National Institute of Justice surveys among prison inmates > > find that large percentages report that their fear that a victim > > might be armed deterred them from confrontation crimes. > > â[T]he felons most frightened âabout confronting an armed > > victimâ were those from states with the greatest relative > > number of privately owned firearms.â Conversely, robbery > > is highest in states that most restrict gun ownership. > > ... > > > > Over a decade ago, Professor Brandon Centerwall of the Uniâ > > versity of Washington undertook an extensive, statistically sophisâ > > ticated study comparing areas in the United States and Canada to > > determine whether Canadaâs more restrictive policies had better > > contained criminal violence. When he published his results it was > > with the admonition: > > > > If you are surprised by [our] finding[s], so [are we]. [We] did > > > > not begin this research with any intent to âexonerateâ handâ > > > > guns, but there it isâa negative finding, to be sure, but a negaâ > > > > tive finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us > > > > where not to aim public health resources. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence > > from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual > > portion of evidence is subject to cavilâat the very least the > > general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific > > evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of > > conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burâ > > den of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal > > more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, espeâ > > cially since they argue public policy ought to be based on > > that mantra. > > > > To bear that burden would at the very least > > require showing that a large number of nations with more > > guns have more death and that nations that have imposed > > stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions > > in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are > > not observed when a large number of nations are compared > > across the world > > > > > > > > > > This link shows a simple google search with tons of results: > > > https://www.google.com/search?ix=sea&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=gun+control+crime+rates > > > > J > > > > - > > > > Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad > reputation. > > - Henry Kissinger > > > > Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, > > go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:347487 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
