On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Cameron Childress <[email protected]> wrote: > >> What is the intellectually >> honest argument that they aren't trying to effectively kill collective >> bargaining? > > > Well, I am not really interested in the "we vs they" thing, I am really > just trying to understand the change in law and wether I think it's good or > bad.
Who said anything about "we vs they"? It's an objective statement and has nothing to do with "they" and certainly not "we". There just has not been an intellectually honest argument that the law was not designed to do anything other than to kill collective bargaining. >> This shit though? I've yet to >> see anyone able to make a cogent argument for the items in the bill >> and have it amount to more than "We don't like unions and are trying to >> knee cap them". >> > > Which is why I prefer to view the bill and law summary rather than observe > the participants in the process directly. I am curious if the changes to > law stand on their own as valid ideas - the distastefulness of everyone > involved is irrelevant to me in that context. Not the distastefulness of the people...the distastefulness of the process and the duplicity therein. You are pretending to be looking for objectivity but that isn't how law is made, interpreted or implemented and you are naive if you think otherwise. Like it or not, intent is important. When you break down every little segment of the law, as you did in response to the summary, you lose the fact that the details will be interpreted within the context of the overall law and the context in passing the law. So when you try and chip away at an established right via death by a thousand cuts in an effort to make it palatable to the public while crafting things in such a way that the totality of the bill accomplishes your only hinted at goals...that means something. Whether you like it or not. And not "means something" in a PR or ethical way, but means something in how the law is implemented and judicially interpreted. Cheers, Judah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:351824 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
