We aren't talking stopping a crime...we are talking what would happen with most people if they were in a mass shooting situation.
------------------------------------ Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer [email protected] tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:24 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shooting at Empire State building.People under stress or something? Also, there have been about 20+ FF situations in Afghanistan since the invasion, less in Iraq during our invasion and occupation. There are literally thousands of guns used in self defense or the defense of others every year (again check the FBI stats). I've stopped an attempted rape of a neighbor and a break in attempt at my home with out firing a shot either time. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:21 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > The CCW class I took in NC required range time and a legal/ROE brief. > Is it as good as what we had in the Army? You get a couple hours > shooting, and a couple hours of classroom instruction, but yes all of > those subjects are covered. > > I know I am unique in some ways. My friends and I have shelled out > thousands of dollars on NRA course and tactical schools all over the > country, even as civilians. I enjoy, it's fun for me, and something > that I continue to feel is my duty. > > Now, you want to know how to resolve your issue here, return to the > constitution. Fund the CMP, bring back required military service, at > least at the level of state defense force/militia. Shit there are > more than enough surplus weapons to arm every adult in the country for > free off old gear all ready in inventory. Like all the M-1s, M-14s > and 1911s Obama has been trying to get destroyed. Have required > periods of training and courses of instruction. INcrease the funding > to the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Being the rifle back into the > school. I've gone to 2 high schools that had indoor firing ranges > from before the late 60s and 70s when people really started to come down on guns. > > We are not supposed to be like other nations and in the end, I don't > care what the legislation becomes. I will be armed. > > Cold > > Dead > > Hands > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> There are very few friendly fire situations in the military, agreed. >> Probably many more accidental deaths of civilians but that tends to >> get seriously hushed up. However, even if we are just talking >> friendly fire, there are still more incidents in Afghanistan than you >> point to as situations where people were saved by concealed carry. >> >> I'm not saying that regular citizens don't sometimes save lives by >> having guns. They do. I'm saying that it is probably much more likely >> that they will cause further damage, however. I will readily admit >> that I don't have any firm numbers on that. I don't believe that >> anyone has figured out how to properly study the situation. So I am >> going based on logic and reason and logic tells me that more guns == >> more shooting == more people shot. >> >> As for your argument that police only qualify once a year and gun >> enthusiasts go shooting often, I think that misses the point. I think >> that people with concealed carry permits can probably hit a target. >> What they do not practice, however, is judgment, responding to crisis >> situations, target identification, etc. And, biggest of all, they do >> not have rules of engagement. We establish rules of engagement and >> train police and military so that they know when the shit hits the >> fan what they are supposed to do and how to try and deal with a >> situation while minimizing collateral damage. Concealed carry permits >> do not come with anything like that. There are no psych screens, >> there are no incident training sessions, there are no less than >> lethal options for escalation of force. >> >> I like guns. I don't trust people and their judgement. Shit, I don't >> trust cops and their judgement. More guns in the hands of more people >> in more places is not going to improve judgement and that's what we >> have to figure out. >> >> Judah >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:29 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I disagree and say there is evidence showing otherwise. See my >> > coming response to Eric. >> > >> > Also, there are VERY few FF and AD situations in the military. It >> > is a Courts Marshall offense. >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Judah McAuley >> ><[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> You think that the average person with a concealed permit has the >> >> ability to quickly, in an emergency situation, identify the >> >> legitimate threat, not confuse that target with any of the other >> >> concealed permit holders who are now trying to aim their weapons >> >> and take down the correct shooter in a panicked crowd? >> >> >> >> Shit, Tim, how many incidents do we have each year of accidental >> >> civilian shootings and friendly fire incidents in the military >> >> each year? And that is with dedicated training and working through >> >> those precise situations in urban warfare scenarios under defined >> >> rules of engagement. >> >> >> >> More guns in a panicked situation results in more people shooting. >> >> Explain the scenario where that is likely to make things better >> >> rather than worse. >> >> >> >> Judah >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I disagree, a couple of concealed carry individuals and this >> >> > could >> have >> >> > ended much sooner. >> >> > >> >> > NYC is already one of the worst places in the U.S. for gun owners. >> Their >> >> > laws are as bad as Illinois and even worse than California. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354100 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
