If you think he is a spy, arrest him and make sure he is actually a spy and not some innocent schlep who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's innocent until proven guilty. When we turn that around, we become the enemy. I didn't serve to defend our right to torture...I served to defend the principles of freedom and justice. Also...if he is a spy, then an artillery commander shouldn't be the ones doing the interrogation. He should have been handed over to the MP's immediately. West not only overstepped the boundary of law...he overstepped the boundaries of his mission and his responsibilities as an officer. He knew he wasn't trained to handle an interrogation. He was showboating and trying to do something that he thogh would further his career because he was a wannabe cowboy and wannabee John Wayne.
------------------------------------ Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer [email protected] tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:37 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Hopefully this is bullshi... You have to realize, this isn't the cold war any more. Even in Panama and Grenada we were fighting the uniformed forces of another nation. That is an important distinction to make. Post Somalia the rules and the way the were taught really changed. Also if dude had a weapon he's no longer a civilian. Nor is he a combatant. He is a spy or saboteur and the rules are different. On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Eric Roberts < [email protected]> wrote: > > I believe that also covers civilians as well...we can't torture them > either. > Wasn't this guy a police officer? Or do you just like to make excuses > for illegal behavior. You know damn well what he did was illegal. > That shit is drilled into our heads from basic training on. As Judah > said...he should have been rotting in jail, not sitting in Congress. > West is a dishonorable piece of shit. > > ------------------------------------ > Three Ravens Consulting > Eric Roberts > Owner/Developer > [email protected] > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > ------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:58 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Hopefully this is bullshi... > > > Geneva doesn't apply. Dude was not in a uniform, with a flag, or > carrying a Geneva convention ID card. All of which are required for > the convention to pertan. > > That being said, we shouldn't have been there in the first place. > > Look man, you've never had to wonder if you were gonna get raped and > have your head cut off, it was a regular topic of conversation for us. > Something we had to deal with and think about how we'd rather eat our > last bullet than be caught by the enemy. > > In the end though, you're right we need to be involved in far less > conflicts, none without an actual declaration of war as far as I'm > concerned. > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Beating a human being, threatening them with death and making them > > believe that they are about to die will never be minor. Ever. > > > > The fact that the guy that West threatened also appears to be > > entirely innocent is apparently beside the fact to you. > > > > The fact that the guy that West beat was supposed to be our ally > > also is apparently beside the fact to you. > > > > I understand your point about war, but that's not how we are > > supposedly fighting it. Add in the fact that we invaded a sovereign > > country under the auspices of lies and we created the damn "enemy" > > ourselves and you start to understand why I think that Bush was a > > war > criminal. > > > > War is hell. And we need to be involved in a lot less of them. None > > the less, West signed up under a set of rules and he flagrantly > > disobeyed > them. > > He committed immoral and illegal acts and ought to have gone to jail. > > He got off easy. > > > > Judah > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Honestly, yes I should. > > > > > > To my mind that convention should never have been signed, but that > > doesn't > > > mean we can ignore it. > > > > > > War can't be fought according to rules. It should only be done to > > totally > > > destroy the capabilities and will of the enemy. > > > > > > That being said this is a pretty damned minor violation, and I > > > don't > > equate > > > being roghed up with torture. > > > > > > Now, take a look at what ti has to say about spies and sabatuers, > > > summary execution, so dude got off easy to my mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
