Keep making empty excuses for misbehavior Sam. If a Democrat did that you and your ilk would be all over him. Just because the other side would do that or worse does not excuse illegal actions on the part of our troops. In fact, illegal actions like this encourage and end up justifying the abuse of our soldiers if they become POWs. So yes...you are very wrong. AS Larry pointed out...it is a violation of the law. Soldiers are governed by a very strict code of conduct and that is there for a good reason. Actions like this ony give them more propaganda to use to recruit more people willing to blow themselves up.
------------------------------------ Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer [email protected] tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:46 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Hopefully this is bullshi... He did apologize and said he stepped over the line, he also implied he would do it again since it saved lives. That does not warrant the insults being directed at him. The only explanation for the sever attacks against him is the fact that he called Obama one of the stupidest people walking. Basically, he was threatened, then soldiers around him were attacked. He was tipped off it was a local police officer. He detained him, beat him a bit and scared him a bit. Two people were arrested and the attacks ended until West left. So it makes no sense that terrorists would stop the attacks because someone not involved was detained. Also note, if an American is captured in that part of the world it's almost assured they'll die. If anyone is captured by an American it's pretty much assured they will not die no matter what the capture threatens them with, and they know that. So I don't I know if an American telling someone he's going to kill him is taken seriously enough to be considered torture. I could be wrong. http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_121003_Offley,00.htm l "I did use my 9 mm weapon to threaten him and fired it twice. Once I fired into the weapons clearing barrel outside the facility alone, and the next time I did it while having his head close to the barrel. I fired away from him. I stood in between the firing and his person. "I admit that what I did was not right but it was done with the concern of the safety of my soldiers and myself," West told the newspaper. http://www.justice.gov/olc/18usc23402340a2.htm In Simpson v. Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, 326 F.3d 230 (D.C. Cir. 2003), the D.C. Circuit again considered the types of acts that constitute torture under the TVPA definition. The plaintiff alleged, among other things, that Libyan authorities had held her incommunicado and threatened to kill her if she tried to leave. See id. at 232, 234. The court acknowledged that "these alleged acts certainly reflect a bent toward cruelty on the part of their perpetrators," but, reversing the district court, went on to hold that "they are not in themselves so unusually cruel or sufficiently extreme and outrageous as to constitute torture within the meaning of the [TVPA]." Id. at 234. Cases in which courts have found torture suggest the nature of the extreme conduct that falls within the statutory definition. See, e.g., Hilao v. Estate of Marcos, 103 F.3d 789, 790-91, 795 (9th Cir. 1996) (concluding that a course of conduct that included, among other things, severe beatings of plaintiff, repeated threats of death and electric shock, sleep deprivation, extended shackling to a cot (at times with a towel over his nose and mouth and water poured down his nostrils), seven months of confinement in a "suffocatingly hot" and cramped cell, and eight years of solitary or near-solitary confinement, constituted torture); Mehinovic v. Vuckovic, 198 F. Supp. 2d 1322, 1332-40, 1345-46 (N.D. Ga. 2002) (concluding that a course of conduct that included, among other things, severe beatings to the genitals, head, and other parts of the body with metal pipes, brass knuckles, batons, a baseball bat, and various other items; removal of teeth with pliers; kicking in the face and ribs; breaking of bones and ribs and dislocation of fingers; cutting a figure into the victim's forehead; hanging the victim and beating him; extreme limitations of food and water; and subjection to games of "Russian roulette," constituted torture); Daliberti v. Republic of Iraq, 146 F. Supp. 2d 19, 22-23 (D.D.C. 2001) (entering default judgment against Iraq where plaintiffs alleged, among other things, threats of "physical torture, such as cutting off . . . fingers, pulling out . . . fingernails," and electric shocks to the testicles); Cicippio v. Islamic Republic of Iran, 18 F. Supp. 2d 62, 64-66 (D.D.C. 1998) (concluding that a course of conduct that included frequent beatings, pistol whipping, threats of imminent death, electric shocks, and attempts to force confessions by playing Russian roulette and pulling the trigger at each denial, constituted torture). . On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > > look it up > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113C > > I have good Google-fu. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:358686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
