West is a tea party darling, what do you expect. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > Keep making empty excuses for misbehavior Sam. If a Democrat did that you > and your ilk would be all over him. Just because the other side would do > that or worse does not excuse illegal actions on the part of our troops. In > fact, illegal actions like this encourage and end up justifying the abuse of > our soldiers if they become POWs. So yes...you are very wrong. AS Larry > pointed out...it is a violation of the law. Soldiers are governed by a very > strict code of conduct and that is there for a good reason. Actions like > this ony give them more propaganda to use to recruit more people willing to > blow themselves up. > > ------------------------------------ > Three Ravens Consulting > Eric Roberts > Owner/Developer > [email protected] > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > ------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:46 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Hopefully this is bullshi... > > > He did apologize and said he stepped over the line, he also implied he would > do it again since it saved lives. That does not warrant the insults being > directed at him. The only explanation for the sever attacks against him is > the fact that he called Obama one of the stupidest people walking. > > Basically, he was threatened, then soldiers around him were attacked. > He was tipped off it was a local police officer. He detained him, beat him a > bit and scared him a bit. Two people were arrested and the attacks ended > until West left. So it makes no sense that terrorists would stop the attacks > because someone not involved was detained. Also note, if an American is > captured in that part of the world it's almost assured they'll die. If > anyone is captured by an American it's pretty much assured they will not die > no matter what the capture threatens them with, and they know that. So I > don't I know if an American telling someone he's going to kill him is taken > seriously enough to be considered torture. I could be wrong. > > http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Defensewatch_121003_Offley,00.htm > l > > "I did use my 9 mm weapon to threaten him and fired it twice. Once I fired > into the weapons clearing barrel outside the facility alone, and the next > time I did it while having his head close to the barrel. I fired away from > him. I stood in between the firing and his person. > > "I admit that what I did was not right but it was done with the concern of > the safety of my soldiers and myself," West told the newspaper. > > > http://www.justice.gov/olc/18usc23402340a2.htm > > In Simpson v. Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, 326 F.3d > 230 (D.C. Cir. 2003), the D.C. Circuit again considered the types of acts > that constitute torture under the TVPA definition. The plaintiff alleged, > among other things, that Libyan authorities had held her incommunicado and > threatened to kill her if she tried to leave. See id. at 232, 234. The court > acknowledged that "these alleged acts certainly reflect a bent toward > cruelty on the part of their perpetrators," but, reversing the district > court, went on to hold that "they are not in themselves so unusually cruel > or sufficiently extreme and outrageous as to constitute torture within the > meaning of the [TVPA]." Id. at 234. Cases in which courts have found torture > suggest the nature of the extreme conduct that falls within the statutory > definition. See, e.g., Hilao v. Estate of Marcos, 103 F.3d 789, 790-91, 795 > (9th Cir. 1996) (concluding that a course of conduct that included, among > other things, severe beatings of plaintiff, repeated threats of death and > electric shock, sleep deprivation, extended shackling to a cot (at times > with a towel over his nose and mouth and water poured down his nostrils), > seven months of confinement in a "suffocatingly hot" and cramped cell, and > eight years of solitary or near-solitary confinement, constituted torture); > Mehinovic v. > Vuckovic, 198 F. Supp. 2d 1322, 1332-40, 1345-46 (N.D. Ga. 2002) (concluding > that a course of conduct that included, among other things, severe beatings > to the genitals, head, and other parts of the body with metal pipes, brass > knuckles, batons, a baseball bat, and various other items; removal of teeth > with pliers; kicking in the face and ribs; breaking of bones and ribs and > dislocation of fingers; cutting a figure into the victim's forehead; hanging > the victim and beating him; extreme limitations of food and water; and > subjection to games of "Russian roulette," constituted torture); Daliberti > v. > Republic of Iraq, 146 F. Supp. 2d 19, 22-23 (D.D.C. 2001) (entering default > judgment against Iraq where plaintiffs alleged, among other things, threats > of "physical torture, such as cutting off . . . > fingers, pulling out . . . fingernails," and electric shocks to the > testicles); Cicippio v. Islamic Republic of Iran, 18 F. Supp. 2d 62, > 64-66 (D.D.C. 1998) (concluding that a course of conduct that included > frequent beatings, pistol whipping, threats of imminent death, electric > shocks, and attempts to force confessions by playing Russian roulette and > pulling the trigger at each denial, constituted torture). > > . > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> look it up >> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113C >> >> I have good Google-fu. >> > > > >
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