I actually didn't mention pay rates, but don't you think the military should at least make minimum wage?
Military service simply can't be compared to other jobs. How about someone explain to how you can get SSDI for being a drug addict or alchie, and I can't for injuries sustained during my military service? On Dec 11, 2012 6:56 PM, "Judah McAuley" <[email protected]> wrote: > > People don't get pay or benefits based on how hard their job is. My mom > worked herself to the point of disability caring for the most physically > and developmentally disabled. It was brutal physically, mentally and > emotionally. She loved it. My job? I do some cool stuff. No where near as > hard though. Yet I get paid more in a year than she would have in 4. > > One of the very many reasons that people in her profession need unions. > > Judah > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:31 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think you should get disability from any job that screws you up. > > > > Hell I'm 100%VA disabled, and I still can't get SSDI after paying in for > 25 > > years. > > > > Also, military service is NOT the same as a regular job. If companies > > treated their employees the way we're treated execuives would be in > prison. > > On Dec 11, 2012 5:56 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > question then, > > > > > > why should I get the same benefits you're living on right now Tim? I > > > never served in the US military, but by the logic used by the right to > > > work legislation I should get the same benefits as you get for your > > > service. > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It's called liberty. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> But how do you have something like that without a requirement to > join? > > > Why > > > >> should workers who do not join benefit from the workers that did > join > > > and > > > >> thus got the benefits of collective bargaining?? > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------------ > > > >> Three Ravens Consulting > > > >> Eric Roberts > > > >> Owner/Developer > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> tel: 630-486-5255 > > > >> fax: 630-310-8531 > > > >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > >> ------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:08 AM > > > >> To: cf-community > > > >> Subject: Re: Mandatory Union Tax Ending in Michigan? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> But we're talking about the government forcing a third party into > the > > > >> process of two parties negotiating compensation. Like I said I > don't > > > have > > > >> any problem having unions, we need collective bargaining, hell > several > > > >> years > > > >> ago I suggested starting an IT union on this very list to represent > > the > > > >> interests of "exempt salaried" employees who regularly get screwed > > over. > > > >> > > > >> I just don't want to see it forced on anyone. when the government > > > becomes > > > >> involved in that process to my mind it steps far outside the bounds > of > > > it's > > > >> responsibilities and powers. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Judah McAuley < > [email protected] > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Well, hell, if you are just going to take an arbitrary Libertarian > > > >> > stand point, then you have perfect free and voluntary association > > even > > > >> > with union representation because no one is requiring you to apply > > for > > > >> > or take a union-represented job. If the notion of a union is too > > > >> > odious to you, then don't apply for a union job. You still have > self > > > >> ownership. > > > >> > > > > >> > Personally, I think that taking it that far is kinda ridiculous. > But > > > >> > it is exactly true in the same reductive Libertarian logic as the > > > rest of > > > >> it. > > > >> > > > > >> > Judah > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:54 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > My statement is based on the fact that ALL LAW is based on the > > > >> > > monopoly > > > >> > on > > > >> > > the initiation and use of force in order to enforce said law. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Every law on the books is only backed by someone with a gun and > a > > > >> > > jail cell. We need to be more careful about what we decide > rises > > to > > > >> > > that > > > >> > level. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > What about free and voluntary association, and self ownership? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Judah McAuley > > > >> > > <[email protected] > > > >> > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > No one said anything about force, dude. I was talking about > the > > > >> > structure > > > >> > > > of labor law. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I do have some mad respect for the old Wobblies though. They > > were > > > >> > > > some > > > >> > > hard > > > >> > > > mofos. I don't think we need that now, I do think that things > > have > > > >> > > evolved > > > >> > > > to the point where union structure and power needs to be > looked > > > at. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > That's not what these laws are intended for, however. If you > > start > > > >> > > > with > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > premise that unions are bad, you aren't going to do a good job > > of > > > >> > > enacting > > > >> > > > reforms that make unions better. That simple. If you want to > > start > > > >> > > > from > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > premise that unions are a good thing but need to be reigned in > > and > > > >> > > > make sure that they continue to be a force for good rather > than > > > >> > > > evil, that's another matter. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > I feel the same way about corporations. Corporations are > > > >> > > > fundamentally > > > >> > a > > > >> > > > good thing. Left unchecked, however, the things that make them > > > >> > > > good can morph into structures that are capable of a great > deal > > of > > > >> > > > harm. Unions > > > >> > > are > > > >> > > > much the same. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Judah > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:40 AM, LRS Scout < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Yes those things can suck man, but is force really the way > to > > > >> > > > > fight > > > >> > it? > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:359120 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
