Sam - just to be clear, the definition of 'marriage' I am referring to when I talk about 'gay marriage' is the civil contract between 2 consenting adults recognized by the government. I am NOT referring to the religious ceremony - I do not believe any church should be forced to perform ceremonies of ANY couple regardless of their sexual orientation.
So, you seem to be saying that a heterosexual couple is allowed to enter into this 'civil contract' but a homosexual one cannot. Again, I ask (though I am giving up hope of actually getting a straight answer - no pun intended) how is this NOT discrimination? On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > > They were civil unions and they were rare > > > . > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Eric Roberts < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Bullshit Sam...up until the Middle ages, even Christianity performed gay > > marriages. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 3:04 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: BITTER SCALIA LEAVES U.S. > > > > > > Again with this? > > > > It was very rare and they had no legal standing. > > > > . > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Eric Roberts < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thousands of years of traditions that allowed gay marriage Sam? > > > Romans allowed it. Pre-Christian Celts and Norse allowed it. Greeks > > allowed it. > > > Hindus allowed it. The only faiths that didn't allow it were Islam > > > and Christianity...even most sects of Judaism are fine with it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:32 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: BITTER SCALIA LEAVES U.S. > > > > > > > > > Apples and oranges. That ruling is based on thousands of years of > > > traditions from around the world. By introducing it that way, the > > > same-sex marriage has no standing. I'm sure that ruling can also apply > > > to sacrificial lambs the way you're using it.It doesn't declare what a > > > marriage is, but uses traditional heterosexual standard for it's > > > ruling. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage is a right according the ruling in Loving vs. Virginia in > > > > 1967 > > > > > > > > In Chief Justice Earl Warren's opinion for the decision he stated > that: > > > > " Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to > > > > our very existence and survival..." > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 4:09 PM > > > > To: cf-community > > > > Subject: Re: BITTER SCALIA LEAVES U.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:10 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like to use the word "hate". Do they hate the people who > > > > > are gay? I doubt it. > > > > > > > > > > > > The article you found funny implied Scalia hated (disliked) gays so > > > > much he was looking for a country that didn't have them. > > > > > > > > Are they grossed out or uncomfortable with people who are gay? > > > > > Most likely. > > > > > > > > > > > > How the hell did you get in their heads and come up with that? Maybe > > > > a percentage feel that way but that's an awfully large brush you > > > > paint > > > with. > > > > > > > > Do they want to deny these people equal rights because of > > > > > > > > > those feelings? Apparently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is marriage a Right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just bizarre. Most of my gay friends don't give a rats > > > > > > ass about gay marriage and they don't hate gays. Only the ones > > > > > > that hate hero-sexuals do. In my experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've met a lot of gay people...but never ONE who hated > heterosexuals. > > > > > That would be weird to "hate" about 90% of the population.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a friend that relives his black eye from London in the 70's, > > > > every year we get to relive the story on facebook. Another blames > > > > hetro's for his lovers suicide 15 years ago. We hear about that all > > > > the time. They don't come out and say they hate hetro's but it's > > > > like Larry and conservatives, you know where he stands. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriage isn't a constitutional right but somehow, now, gay > > > > > > marriage > > > > is? > > > > > > And the way they did that was to label all opposed as haters? A > > > > > > sad day indeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU are labelling them haters....the rest of us are labelling them > > > > > as people who would deny others equal rights because of how they > > > > > were > > > born. > > > > > You like to use the word "hate" because it brings emotion to the > > table. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again equal rights? Civil unions create equality. I don't know > > > > anybody that's against civil unions. Do you? You started with the > > > > emotions about the justices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...that's great for billboards and bumper stickers...but when > > > > > you get down to brass tacks, it's really quite simple: Do you wish > > > > > to deny people equal rights because of how they were born? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Unions > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam....give me one valid argument AGAINST gay marriage that does > > > > > NOT involve a view that would prejudice against homosexuals, or in > > > > > some way cast their love as inferior or even harmful, when > > > > > compared to hetero relationships?? Give me one, and i'll happily > > > > > admit that there is a non-bigoted argument against gay marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people that are against gay marriages, I'm guessing, have > > > > nothing against gays and civil unions. They just want to avoid > > > > watering down the traditional marriage as we know it. It's already > > > > having trouble with divorce rates increasing regularly. > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:365047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
