Here's why (I think) you are right and wrong: > The fault is the guy with the gun who goes and stalks the unarmed teenager > because he knows he has a gun and therefore thinks he is a badass.
Assumption. The Prosecutors tried to prove Zimmerman stalked him. Result: Unfounded. No Proof. > If someone stalks me in a car across a neighborhood (which he wouldn't > because I'm white and 40) and gets out to confront me, fuck yeah I'm going > to confront him back. fuck yeah!!!!! According this Martin (if he were alive) . perhaps not the best or smartest response. If given a 2nd change I bet he would not have the same opinion you have. > Put yourself in Zimmerman's shoes for a moment...are you going to do what > he did if he wasn't armed? Far Reaching. Lead-In. Asking someone who to place themselves into a non-quantitfy position does not produce qualifiable answers. Your response is nullified by simply stating "Yes". > He went from > watching to engaging > Martin doesn't go after the > dude in the car...he's headed home Conjecture. No facts to back it up he might have still been "monitoring from afar" when Martin jumped his stupid ass and it beat it silly because in fact - the kids "was a bad ass himself". Or are you saying some young, strapping, bigger, street smart, kid with an attitude was actually a pussy and that some dumb hispanic dude "acted stupidly" and was going to whip his said pussy into shape. And as you already said "fuck yeah I'm going to confront him back" Perhaps a "smart person" tries to confront someone - on their own terms. Their own ground. Wouldn't you agree ? A smart person just night plan out how to jump an idiot with a gun. If that were the case then perhaps - Martin was hiding / waiting for Zimmerman to get closer - simply to "teach him a lesson" - might be a reasonable idea to draw conclusions from ? > Zimmerman is the instigating factor in > every single step of this drama. Not provable. Though I can see your point in how Zimmerman was continually smacking his own head again the concrete. Makes sense doesn't it ? I mean, I do all the time. > Legally, Zimmerman was in the right. Florida law is written that way. And sadly this is where you are right. > That > does not make it morally right. Not morally right for - perhaps - Zimmerman to defend himself ? > Zimmerman pushed every single step of the > encounter because he thought himself a hero with a gun. Nothing provable stated. Does you knowing that I have Purple Heart on my car tag make me a hero ? - that assumption would make one to think perhaps I am vet - and because of that - perhaps I carried a gun ? Does the fact, that I lost 2 sons in battle make them hero's ? They both carried guns. -- and they both died carrying guns. Let me add - in war I didn't support. Does the Gold Star on my wife's license plate make her a hero ? -- she owns a gun too. I'm sure the gun is why she has "that special license plate". Right ? Does a service flag sticker on my car - with 2 Gold Stars on it make me or my family heroes ? -- it did took a gun to get that Gold Star ya know. Unfortunately, it was in the hands of someone intent on killing my children. I own a gun. Apparently I'm a hero. Why don't I feel like one ? -- everyday for me is fucking shit especially when I hear this garbage crap coming from the zimmerman case -- sure in hell half the people in this country make sure families like mine are not treated like hero's. Does simply carrying a gun make someone a hero - or suppose to feel like one ? or are you kinda sorta possibly reaching a little bit here. The Prosecutors (who didn't want prosecute this case) - tried to this prove this one. They failed. Not due to a lack of talent --- Simply due to a lack of evidence. > In the end, he's a > murderer. In the end he is the one who survived after 2 idiots decided to show their truth colors. -- idiots are idiots. Idiots die as idiots. One died that night. -- the other one will eventually get there probably sooner than he wants > someone > who stalked an innocent young man, provoked an encounter, and then took his > life. Not proven. It's just another comment. Final and Correct Verdict: - Zimmerman - Guilty of Stupidity. Don't matter if it's in the eyes of the Public . Not Guilty of Murder. I wonder how long it will take another idiot - before he / she proves how much idiots breed --- to take measures into their own idiotic hands --- to prove how guilty Zimmerman "was". I wonder then if Martin's supporters will defend that said idiot - to the degree they have prosecuted Zimmerman. Do not make Martin a martyr. - He was probably a young / much larger / full of piss poor attitude / smart-ass kid who opened his mouth up one to many times. Do not defend Zimmerman for pulling the trigger. - His own stupidity put him in that situation. He's lucky to be alive. For now. On Jul 22, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > The fault is the guy with the gun who goes and stalks the unarmed teenager > because he knows he has a gun and therefore thinks he is a badass. > > If someone stalks me in a car across a neighborhood (which he wouldn't > because I'm white and 40) and gets out to confront me, fuck yeah I'm going > to confront him back. > > Put yourself in Zimmerman's shoes for a moment...are you going to do what > he did if he wasn't armed? He had already relayed his suspicions to the > police. He monitored from afar. Then he went in to confront. He went from > watching to engaging and that's the difference. Martin doesn't go after the > dude in the car...he's headed home. Zimmerman is the instigating factor in > every single step of this drama. > > Legally, Zimmerman was in the right. Florida law is written that way. That > does not make it morally right. Zimmerman pushed every single step of the > encounter because he thought himself a hero with a gun. In the end, he's a > murderer. Acquitted, correctly according to state law, but still someone > who stalked an innocent young man, provoked an encounter, and then took his > life. > > Judah > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Revolution <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It doesn't >>> pass the 'smell test' to me, >> >> it passes mine >> >>> and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it >>> was him in this situation. >> >> Based on the evidence I disagree >> >> >>> What I think happened is that he tried to be a >>> tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin >>> defended himself. >> >> I think you are very close to being right. >> The only difference is >> >> What I think happened is >> - Zimmerman tried to a tough guy (for whatever stupid reason) and >> - Martin being a "tough kid" smacked the idiot up-side-head (ie: cold >> cocked him) >> - when Zimmerman came around a corner (after talking to the police) to >> supposedly "stalk him" >> ---- this probably dropped Zimmerman to the ground. >> >> Martin then produced to sit on Zimmerman >> - and beat the shit out of him. >> >> I believe Martin probably said something like >> - "you're gonna die tonight MF" (ad-libbing here of course) >> >> And the only way for Zimmerman to exit this situation with his life >> - was to pull the trigger. >> >> Who's fault is it: Both idiots were at fault. for being stupid. >> >> Unfortunately, one of the idiots died. >> >> As for making Martin a martyr and comparing Martin to "Martin Luther >> King" .. give me a break. >> >> There were 2 idiots that night. Neither of them compare to Martin Luther >> King. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I am not sure where you got that idea from Sam, I said nothing of the >> sort. >>> >>> I do not believe Zimmerman's account of how things went down. It doesn't >>> pass the 'smell test' to me, and, if anyone ever had a reason to lie, it >>> was him in this situation. What I think happened is that he tried to be a >>> tough guy and scare or intimidate Martin and it backfired when Martin >>> defended himself. Pure speculation of course. >>> >>> Again, the only version we heard was Zimmerman's because Martin did not >>> survive the encounter. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> So let's get this straight. You think Zimmerman called the po-po, then >>>> attacked with intent to kill because black, because he learned in school >>>> how to use the law to get away with it? >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Witnesses saw Martin attack Zimmerman, or saw Martin on top of >> Zimmerman >>>>> after the 'attack' started? >>>>> >>>>> Subtle but important distinction. Just because Martin was on top of him >>>> at >>>>> some point does not mean he 'started it'. It is just as likely that >>>> Martin >>>>> was defending himself from Zimmerman. >>>>> >>>>> It is very easy to create reasonable doubt when the other guy cannot >> tel >>>>> their side of the story. >>>>> >>>>> I understand he was found 'not guilty' because the law in Florida made >> it >>>>> pretty much impossible to convict him, but that does not take away from >>>> the >>>>> fact that, after being told not to, he followed (does that word work >>>>> better for you) , shot and killed a minor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The witnesses? >>>>>> >>>>>> Did git even follow the trial? >>>>>> >>>>>> The girl friend was proven to be lying. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other lady ADMITTED she was lying. Based off what she saw on tv. >>>>>> >>>>>> He fired up, from his back while the kid was on top of him. His head >>>> was >>>>>> smashed into the ground and his nose broken. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally you yourself just won the case for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> In our system all you need to do is provide a reasonable doubt. There >>>> is >>>>>> more than reasonable doubt >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:11 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not true. In some places they are sworn officers. Even so, what he >>>> was >>>>>> told >>>>>>> was sound advice and any reasonable person would have heeded said >>>>> advice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do we know Zimmerman did not 'attack' first? Oh, right...we have >>>>> take >>>>>>> the word of the only one of them who had a gun and used it, and >>>>>>> coincidentally, was the only one to survive the confrontation. It is >>>>> not >>>>>>> like he would have anything to lie about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A minor who attacked him? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yup >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Following and questioning people in public, even photographing and >>>>>>>> recording them is totally legal. Dispatchers as you work know >>>> aren't >>>>>>> sworn >>>>>>>> officers and can't TELL you to do a damn thing. >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 3:02 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's see....he followed Martin in his car, and then, after being >>>>>> told >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> to by the 911 operator, he pursued martin on foot. Sounds like >>>>>> stalking >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> me or maybe it is 'pursuing', either way, he should not have been >>>>>> doing >>>>>>>>> it.. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, that aside....I will amend my original comment - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Rescuing' 4 people who were uninjured does not negate the fact >>>>> that >>>>>> he >>>>>>>>> shot and killed a minor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Feel better about that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stalk. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You don't even know what the word means. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've stalked. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In a ghilie. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From a hide site. With a rifle. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> He asked a kid who was loitering in his neighborhood questions >>>>> and >>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>> assaulted for it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sick of this unarmed nonsense. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You don't need a weapon to cause grave bodily damage and death. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Shot and killed ill give you. Not stalked. If he had stalked >>>> him >>>>>> he'd >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> prison. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Trayvon was there long enough for Zimmerman to make phone calls >>>>> and >>>>>>>> shit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna look into shit like that all day every day in my >>>>>>>> neighborhood. >>>>>>>>>> I'm not even neighborhood watch. Trust and believe I don't >>>> need a >>>>>> gun >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> kill. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Top it off with the cracker shit and I see a racist punk kid >>>> who >>>>>>> made a >>>>>>>>>> realbad decision. >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:40 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tim - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you implying that because he was found 'not guilty' that >>>> he >>>>>> did >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> fact stalk, shoot and kill an unarmed person? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I never mentioned the verdict, merely the details of the >>>>>> incident. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM, LRS Scout < >>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Really? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure our judicial system disagreed with you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not even a hung jury. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not guilty. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The cops didn't even want to arrest him, they were made to. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better right? >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:17 PM, "Scott Stroz" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He is. 'Rescuing' 4 people with no injuries does not >>>> negate >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> fact >>>>>>>>>>>>> that he stalked, shot and killed an unarmed person. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM, LRS Scout < >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a monster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2013 2:13 PM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was an Onion headline when i first saw >>>>>>>> it....but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-rescue-family-trapped-suv/story?id=19735432 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:365810 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
