Yeah. Too bad no one in the legislature spent _any_ time working to fix the
details.

What have we all been doing for the last 2 years, again?


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Ugh. Pediatric dental care?
>
> It's early, but so far this law sucks.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Sounds like not being Obamacare is the minimum Standard that fails.
> >
> > "What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there
> > are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to
> create
> > minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan
> > has to provide," Carney said. "So it's true that there are existing
> > healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum
> > standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/
> >
> > Obamacare forces them to drop many of their plans that don't meet the
> law's
> > 10 minimum standards, including maternity care, emergency visits, mental
> > health treatment and even pediatric dental care
> > .
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:13 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > One question: What ACA "standard" are these policies unable to meet????
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > When you lose MSNBC. . .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite
> > > >
> > > > Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News
> > > that
> > > > 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance
> > > > individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the
> > > > equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t
> > meet
> > > > the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert
> predicts
> > > that
> > > > number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of
> > those
> > > > forced to buy pricier new policies will experience "sticker shock."
> > > > ...
> > > > Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that
> > > because
> > > > of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, "40 to 67
> > percent"
> > > > of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many
> > > > policies will have been changed since the key date, "the percentage
> of
> > > > individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year
> > > > exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range."
> > > > That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of
> > > those
> > > > in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even
> if
> > > > they liked them.
> > > >
> > > > Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, "if you like your
> health
> > > > plan, you will be able to keep your health plan," was still saying in
> > > 2012,
> > > > "If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health
> > > > insurance."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And this
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/28/ObamaCare-Costs-15-Million-Their-Health-Insurance-So-Far
> > > >
> > > > By merely adding up recent media reports, the National Center for
> > Public
> > > > Policy Research discovered that 1.5 million insurance cancellations
> > have
> > > > already gone out. These cancellations are all due to the ObamaCare
> > > mandate
> > > > that requires every health insurance policy meet a minimum
> requirement
> > > of a
> > > > one-size-fits-all Cadillac plan that forces people to pay for
> coverage
> > > they
> > > > neither want nor need.
> > > > During his sales job to pass his signature health insurance plan,
> > > President
> > > > Obama repeatedly and without qualification promised the American
> people
> > > > that if you liked your insurance plan, you could keep it. Obama also
> > > > promised everyone that their premiums would decrease and that he
> would
> > > > never raise taxes on the middle class.
> > > > Already 1.5 million have had insurance they were happy with stripped
> > from
> > > > them. If the Congressional Budget Office is correct, this will happen
> > to
> > > > millions more.
> > > > That is one broken promise.
> > > > Sunday, the LA Times reported that middle-class Californians face, on
> > > > average, a 30% rate increase "due to several factors ties to"
> > ObamaCare.
> > > > That is just one state, and it is another broken promise.
> > > > One could also argue that these premium increases are nothing more
> than
> > > tax
> > > > increases to pay for ObamaCare. So that is another broken promise.
> > > > Finally, how many of the millions losing the health care plan they
> like
> > > > will lose their doctor in the process? That is yet another broken
> > > promise.
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not failing.
> > > > > The website has problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > The opinion piece did not point out how it is failing now.
> > > > >
> > > > > And a Republican talking about supporting Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin?
> > > Geez.
> > > > > Continuing to commit suicide as a party without a clue, are they?
> > > > >
> > > > > Democrats are the new conservatives in the US. There's no left. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 October 2013 09:15, Sam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ObamaCare Schaden-Fraud
> > > > > > By C. Edmund Wright
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We did not grossly overpay cronies of yours to put the website
> > > > together,
> > > > > > and we did not forget the simple step of obtaining similar domain
> > > names
> > > > > to
> > > > > > prevent cyber-squatting and identity theft.  You tech geniuses,
> > you!
> > > >  We
> > > > > > did not hire ACORN and other known criminals as navigators to
> help
> > > get
> > > > > > around the failing website, and we did not bring on sixteen
> > thousand
> > > > new
> > > > > > IRS agents with the notion that they would help Americans stay
> > > > healthier.
> > > > > > And we did not fire a polite operator who simply took a phone
> call
> > > from
> > > > > > Sean Hannity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You perverted first the very meaning of
> > > > > > insurance with the pre-existing condition rules, and then really
> > > > thought
> > > > > > you could balance that out by perverting the system on the other
> > end
> > > by
> > > > > > overcharging the young and healthy.  You are obsessed with five
> > > million
> > > > > > lines of code glitches in the website software, while you are
> > > ignoring
> > > > > the
> > > > > > billions of lines of code inside the strands of DNA that define
> > human
> > > > > > nature -- an essence you have misapprehended every way possible
> > with
> > > > this
> > > > > > foundationally malignant idea.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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