If you don't want to play by those rules, you can always declare yourself a private club etc., and only sell your goods or services to your members.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > You do have that right. You can totally decide who you spend time with, or > associated with. Or eat dinner with, or worship with, or play Scrabble with. > > But if you are engaged in commerce, which is regulated by the government, > and provide a public service that is deemed "essential" by those > regulations, you have to play by those rules that are set up. > > Actually, you don't HAVE to play by those rules, but you may be penalized > for violating those rules, either through fines, or through the civil > courts. > > > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> You should not be discriminated against by the government. >> >> Individuals should be able to freely associate with people of their choice. >> Freedom of association was important enough to make the bill of rights. >> Like most of these things if I have the right to choose who to spend time >> with, don't I also have the right to chose who I don't want around me? >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > No, it is not a federally protected class. >> > >> > A protected does not seem insane to me if you draw it up based on >> genetics: >> > If you are born with it, you should not be discriminated because of >> > it...period...since you have it through absolutely no fault of your own. >> > >> > That makes perfect sense to me. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:04 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Also is sexual orientation a protected class here? >> > > >> > > I know it is in some states, but it is not federally, right? >> > > >> > > The whole idea of a protected class is insane to me. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson <[email protected] >> > > >wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > No, if your business is open to the public, your business has to be >> > open >> > > to >> > > > all people OF A PROTECTED CLASS. >> > > > >> > > > There are plenty of legitimate reasons to turn someone down for >> > business. >> > > > But not solely because they are part of that class. >> > > > >> > > > What those protected classes are differs from state-to-state, and >> again >> > > > different federally. >> > > > >> > > > Some judges have also ruled that "innate" characteristics, above and >> > > beyond >> > > > those delineated protected classes (race, gender, age, national >> origin, >> > > > sexual orientation, and religion (which is not innate but taught), >> > > veteran >> > > > status (which is earned).) >> > > > >> > > > also, my understanding is not all businesses that do business with >> the >> > > > public are subject to the discrimination laws, but those business >> that >> > > > offer a "public accommodation", or where there is a "government >> > interest" >> > > > in making sure those services are protected. >> > > > >> > > > so, in arizona state, on the state court level, it is probably fine >> to >> > > not >> > > > make a penis cake, but you still could be sued (but would probably >> > win). >> > > on >> > > > the federal court level, not so much. and you can kick the KKK out of >> > > your >> > > > shop at any point (but still get sued), but the suit would be >> dismissed >> > > > early due to no protected class status. But a member of the Arian >> > Church, >> > > > on the other hand, could. >> > > > >> > > > But you could kick that same person out because they dated your >> > daughter, >> > > > or because they voted for Obama, or because they smell like >> > elderberries. >> > > > just not because of their religion. >> > > > >> > > > (proving that was the reason, in a suit, gets harder, but is legally >> > > > acceptable) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Larry C. Lyons < >> [email protected] >> > > > >wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > If your business is open to the public you have to serve all the >> > > > > public. End of story. >> > > > > >> > > > > Mind you you can always say you're too busy to take new orders at >> the >> > > > > present time. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:45 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey < >> > > [email protected] >> > > > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > While the headline emphasizes his comments about homosexuals, >> this >> > > > > question >> > > > > > is one that I thought about as well: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > "Would they force a Jewish photographer to work a Klan or Nazi >> > event? >> > > > How >> > > > > > about forcing a Muslim caterer to work a pork barbeque [sic] >> > dinner?" >> > > > > > >> > > > > > A slight correction to his assertion in my line of thought >> > though... >> > > > they >> > > > > > wouldn't "force" anyone to do something. The bill would have >> only >> > > > > > prevented the "offended" party from being able to bring a >> > > > discrimination >> > > > > > lawsuit against the business. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Until Later! >> > > > > > C. Hatton Humphrey >> > > > > > http://www.eastcoastconservative.com >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have >> to >> > do >> > > > > some >> > > > > > smelting to find it. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Larry C. Lyons < >> > > [email protected] >> > > > > >wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.salon.com/2014/02/27/tea_party_leader_attacks_jan_brewer_for_allowing_%e2%80%9cslavery%e2%80%9d_and_penis_cakes/ >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> Amazing what the Teahadis come up with now. More than a bit of >> > > > > >> projection going on here. >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:369520 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
