The drug war. The IRS.
The defense industry. These are all the child of the voter. On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:14 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > I mean legislating in fear towards security, even in violations of the > principals of this country and doing so because of popular support, or > at least apathy. > > Citizens United is a perfect example of Democracy over Republicanism to my > mind. > > On 5/12/14, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Too far towards democracy? Could you explain what you mean there? It > feels > > like we are continuously headed toward plutocracy (Citizens United and > the > > like just codified it) rather than democracy, but perhaps I misunderstand > > what you are trying to say. > > > > Cheers, > > Judah > > > > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> Your pendulum description is right on with what I think about American > >> politics, only instead of slowing down and eventually settling in the > >> middle it accelerates with each swing. > >> > >> I'm afraid we've gone to far towards democracy, given up too much, to go > >> back peacefully now. But then again, maybe that's the thing. Larry and > >> I > >> are equally valuable, as opposite poles? > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I do not think they are capitalists, I think that it is a plutocracy. > >> > Any > >> > notion that there has been a mostly capitalist economy in the country > >> > should have ended with "to big to fail". > >> > > >> > I believe that there have been times when our country has been more > >> > capitalist and less capitalist. Capitalism seems to end up creating > >> > large > >> > enough winners that they quickly work on capturing the governmental > >> > means > >> > of regulation and move toward a plutocracy in which the winners > cannot, > >> via > >> > any normal economic process, be anything other than winners. That is, > >> they > >> > turn to extra-economic means to solidify their place in a plutocracy. > >> > > >> > Eventually (at least previously), there is enough push back that the > >> > plutocracy gets torn down a fair bit and the pendulum swings more > >> > toward > >> > the socialist end of the spectrum. Even at this point, we've always > >> > been > >> > significantly more capitalist than many economies, but certainly less > >> > so > >> > than at other points in our history. > >> > > >> > Gradually, however, regulation starts to get eroded in name of > business > >> > nimbleness and success and that seems to work for awhile until > >> > consolidation of money leads to a consolidation of power and we move > >> > back > >> > toward a plutocracy. > >> > > >> > I'd like to think that there is a way to achieve a reasonable balance > >> > and > >> > make a stable environment where we have a lower level of regulation > but > >> do > >> > not have a situation that tends toward plutocracy. I'm not sure if > that > >> is > >> > really possible, though, the environment for business and government > >> > may > >> > just be too dynamic to find a stable state. Not really sure. > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > Judah > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:08 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Do think the ruling class in America today is "capitalists"? > >> > > > >> > > Open question to the group. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:370068 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
