Bush an Obama could not have pushed through the legislative agenda they and their masters have without first controlling the legislature and the judiciary both.
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:15 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > The drug war. > > The IRS. > > The defense industry. > > These are all the child of the voter. > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:14 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I mean legislating in fear towards security, even in violations of the >> principals of this country and doing so because of popular support, or >> at least apathy. >> >> Citizens United is a perfect example of Democracy over Republicanism to >> my mind. >> >> On 5/12/14, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Too far towards democracy? Could you explain what you mean there? It >> feels >> > like we are continuously headed toward plutocracy (Citizens United and >> the >> > like just codified it) rather than democracy, but perhaps I >> misunderstand >> > what you are trying to say. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Judah >> > >> > >> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:07 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Your pendulum description is right on with what I think about American >> >> politics, only instead of slowing down and eventually settling in the >> >> middle it accelerates with each swing. >> >> >> >> I'm afraid we've gone to far towards democracy, given up too much, to >> go >> >> back peacefully now. But then again, maybe that's the thing. Larry >> and >> >> I >> >> are equally valuable, as opposite poles? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I do not think they are capitalists, I think that it is a plutocracy. >> >> > Any >> >> > notion that there has been a mostly capitalist economy in the country >> >> > should have ended with "to big to fail". >> >> > >> >> > I believe that there have been times when our country has been more >> >> > capitalist and less capitalist. Capitalism seems to end up creating >> >> > large >> >> > enough winners that they quickly work on capturing the governmental >> >> > means >> >> > of regulation and move toward a plutocracy in which the winners >> cannot, >> >> via >> >> > any normal economic process, be anything other than winners. That is, >> >> they >> >> > turn to extra-economic means to solidify their place in a plutocracy. >> >> > >> >> > Eventually (at least previously), there is enough push back that the >> >> > plutocracy gets torn down a fair bit and the pendulum swings more >> >> > toward >> >> > the socialist end of the spectrum. Even at this point, we've always >> >> > been >> >> > significantly more capitalist than many economies, but certainly less >> >> > so >> >> > than at other points in our history. >> >> > >> >> > Gradually, however, regulation starts to get eroded in name of >> business >> >> > nimbleness and success and that seems to work for awhile until >> >> > consolidation of money leads to a consolidation of power and we move >> >> > back >> >> > toward a plutocracy. >> >> > >> >> > I'd like to think that there is a way to achieve a reasonable balance >> >> > and >> >> > make a stable environment where we have a lower level of regulation >> but >> >> do >> >> > not have a situation that tends toward plutocracy. I'm not sure if >> that >> >> is >> >> > really possible, though, the environment for business and government >> >> > may >> >> > just be too dynamic to find a stable state. Not really sure. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Judah >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:08 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > Do think the ruling class in America today is "capitalists"? >> >> > > >> >> > > Open question to the group. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:370070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
