Didn't Egypt open their border? Or did they close it up again? -----Original Message----- From: LRS Scout [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 2:00 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel...
Good luck stopping the Bedouins. The Sinai is a nutty place that seems to have only gotten nuttier since the Arab spring. But yeah, Egypt is likely the key to a short term solution at least. On Jul 15, 2014 1:10 PM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > and their very first move should be to normalize relations with Egypt. > By being a partner and a neighbor. Not a constant threat. > > Which could open up their southern border. Which won't happen as long > as they use that border to import arms. > > All success would flow from that demilitarized border. > > On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > We are talking about this particular incident chain, not general > > terms, > so > > this seems like an attempt at threadjacking, but sure, I'll answer. > > > > If I was in their place, I'd take a page from the Israel book. They > > are tiny, surrounded by a lot of hostile forces. But they have a > > great deal > of > > international sympathy and backers. I'd work to focus efforts on > internal > > self sufficiency while appealing broadly for aid. Strengthen the > > borders and be prepared to defend them vigorously. Don't attack > > externally and > try > > to take more land before you even have a well-established region. > > Show a commitment to building a strong local market, to build an > > oasis, even in the shadow of very hostile neighbors. > > > > That's how you become attractive to the international community, how > > you build your case for an established homeland and independence, > > how you undermine the racist and awful arguments being lobbed every > > day from the worst parts of Israeli society and government. That's how you win. > > > > Judah > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Eric Roberts < > > [email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Judah...these missiles are not being fired for shits and > > > giggles...they > > are > > > being fired because of Israeli oppression. The constant state of > > > siege > > on > > > Gaza. The constant incursion of Israeli settlers...plus many many > other > > > reasons. Netenyahu even came out and said that he doesn't support > > > a 2 state solution. His party never has. As long as Israel keeps > > > encroaching on Palestininan territory and the human rights of the > > > Palestinian > > people...the > > > missiles will continue to come. They have violated every > > > agreement > that > > > has > > > brought peace. If you were in the Palestinian's shoes...what > > > would you > > do? > > > Just give up and let Israel steamroll you? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:25 AM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: Slaughter of civilians by Israel... > > > > > > > > > I get what you and Scott are saying, but what is Israel supposed to do? > > > They are having a rather large number of missiles fired at them. > > > Some > of > > > them to parts of Israel that no one thought they could reach. A > > > ground force would be a huge escalation and the potential house to > > > house combat > could > > > easily end up with as many civilians killed as air assault, though > Hamas > > > weapons might do more of the killing in that case. And there would > > > be a great many more Israeli deaths. > > > > > > I absolutely do not believe that the aerial assault is the right > > > thing > to > > > do > > > on the part of Israel. But I also don't see what other options > > > they > have > > at > > > this point. They should have gone down a very different political > > > route well before this round of escalation, but they didn't. I > > > fault them for > that. > > > But > > > at this point, they are being attacked and I don't see a way to > > > respond that does not incur significant civilian casualties > > > because the legitimate targets (the ones firing the missiles) are > > > mixed into a dense civilian population. > > > > > > Short of a cease fire that both sides can agree to, this is just > > > going > to > > > play out as a tragedy on both sides. > > > > > > Judah > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Vivec <[email protected] > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ᧠> > > > Yeah. > > > > > > > > After demolishing buildings, slaughtering entire families...they > > > > call a cease fire. > > > > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > I stand by my view that it should never have happened in the > > > > first > > place. > > > > Use of force on that scale,and with so many civilian casualties > should > > > > never be justified. > > > > > > > > On 15 July 2014 10:06, LRS Scout <[email protected] > > > > <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So over night the Israelis took part in a cease fire organized > > > > > by > > > Egypt. > > > > > > > > > > Hamas chose not to take part and fired 50 additional missiles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:371583 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
