If it was my daughter, I would first have caught up with Ray Rice, confined him, and punished him in more ways than he ever thought possible.
Then I would turn to my daughter and chastise her for getting physically violent with him, provoking a confrontation she would lose. And finally, I would question her good sense for having entered into a relationship with him in the first place. She chose to be with him and a person has to bear the consequences of their choices. That doesn't excuse his behavior, but if you don't want to risk being run over by a train, stop playing on the tracks. On 9/9/2014 8:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Was not inferring anything, I asked for clarification because it seemed > like that is what you were saying. > > This was not a stranger, this was his fiance. So, your 'dangerous stranger' > hypothetical is irrelevant and a pathetic attempt to push the blame on the > victim. > > For the third time, I do not have daughters. If I did, would not want them > to dress provocatively for a myriad of reasons. Among them is the fact that > people might consider it an invitation because she would be 'looking for > trouble'. Though, I am not sure what that has to do with the discussion at > hand. > > How would you feel if it was your daughter that Ray Rice dragged out of the > elevator? Would you still think she was 'looking for trouble'? > On Sep 9, 2014 6:54 PM, "Rick Faircloth" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop inferring >> from my remarks. >> >> I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I >> would not even hit >> my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a stranger, even a woman, >> appeared to me >> to be a mortal threat, the stranger would be shot. For instance, if she >> came at me with >> a knife or a gun, she would be shot. I'm not going to take the chance of >> getting killed to avoid >> shooting someone. She attacked and provoked a response. What should I >> do? Just >> allow her to kill me? >> >> But, concerning dressing provocatively: didn't you say you have >> daughters, Scott? >> Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, why >> not? >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his >> fiance >>> unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way. >>> >>> As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of >>> proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend himself by >>> shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, and, following >>> your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees fit, right? >>> >>> I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she was >>> asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in the >>> process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look at how >> she >>> was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth <[email protected] >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a man >> the >>>> right to rape her. >>>> >>>> However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to defend >>>> himself. >>>> >>>> In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to >>>> defend herself. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth < >>>> [email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No, asshole, it reeks of "she was asking for trouble." >>>>>> >>>>> When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed >>>>> provocatively? >>>>> >>>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372284 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
