That's why we don't let people handle shit themselves. On Sep 9, 2014 8:32 PM, "Rick Faircloth" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > If it was my daughter, I would first have caught up with Ray Rice, > confined him, and punished > him in more ways than he ever thought possible. > > Then I would turn to my daughter and chastise her for getting physically > violent with him, > provoking a confrontation she would lose. > > And finally, I would question her good sense for having entered into a > relationship with him > in the first place. She chose to be with him and a person has to bear > the consequences of > their choices. That doesn't excuse his behavior, but if you don't want > to risk being run over > by a train, stop playing on the tracks. > > > On 9/9/2014 8:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Was not inferring anything, I asked for clarification because it seemed > > like that is what you were saying. > > > > This was not a stranger, this was his fiance. So, your 'dangerous > stranger' > > hypothetical is irrelevant and a pathetic attempt to push the blame on > the > > victim. > > > > For the third time, I do not have daughters. If I did, would not want > them > > to dress provocatively for a myriad of reasons. Among them is the fact > that > > people might consider it an invitation because she would be 'looking for > > trouble'. Though, I am not sure what that has to do with the discussion > at > > hand. > > > > How would you feel if it was your daughter that Ray Rice dragged out of > the > > elevator? Would you still think she was 'looking for trouble'? > > On Sep 9, 2014 6:54 PM, "Rick Faircloth" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> No, Scott, I'm not saying that. I said only what I said. Stop inferring > >> from my remarks. > >> > >> I said a man has a right to defend himself if attacked by a woman. I > >> would not even hit > >> my wife if she were to slap me. However, if a stranger, even a woman, > >> appeared to me > >> to be a mortal threat, the stranger would be shot. For instance, if she > >> came at me with > >> a knife or a gun, she would be shot. I'm not going to take the chance of > >> getting killed to avoid > >> shooting someone. She attacked and provoked a response. What should I > >> do? Just > >> allow her to kill me? > >> > >> But, concerning dressing provocatively: didn't you say you have > >> daughters, Scott? > >> Do you want them to go out in public dressed provocatively? If not, why > >> not? > >> > >> > >> On 9/9/2014 4:08 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> Are you saying Ray Rice was 'defending' himself when he knocked his > >> fiance > >>> unconscious? Because..it sure does seem that way. > >>> > >>> As has been pointed out in the thread, the issue for most is one of > >>> proportional response. Would you feel he had a right to defend himself > by > >>> shooting her? According to you , he was being assaulted, and, following > >>> your 'logic' he should be bale to respond how he sees fit, right? > >>> > >>> I know you cannot see it (or refuse to admit it), but by saying 'she > was > >>> asking for trouble' you are blaming her for what happened and in the > >>> process condoning his actions. Just like when people say, 'look at how > >> she > >>> was dressed..she was asking for trouble' after a woman gets raped. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Rick Faircloth < > [email protected] > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> No, because a woman's right to dress provocatively does not allow a > man > >> the > >>>> right to rape her. > >>>> > >>>> However, a woman's assault on a man does allow a man the right to > defend > >>>> himself. > >>>> > >>>> In the same way, a man's sexual assault of a woman entitles her to > >>>> defend herself. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 9/9/2014 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rick Faircloth < > >>>> [email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> No, asshole, it reeks of "she was asking for trouble." > >>>>>> > >>>>> When a woman is raped would you say the same if she was dressed > >>>>> provocatively? > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372286 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
