Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's fiance, right?
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth <[email protected]> wrote: > > Oh, bull, Maureen. > > You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted > or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with > "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... > > > On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: > > He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another > > instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, > > pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > >> > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > couple > >> that had problems, > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, > and > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > >> > >> What would you say then? > >> > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > decided > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > >>> > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone > who > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > death > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red > flag > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > person > >>> who the the punch. > >>> > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > get a > >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state > of > >>> mind is/was. > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Yeah, I know what you meant. > >>>> But the comparison .... you can't make a comparison like that. > >>>> > >>>> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > >>>> A) his actions were disproportionate > >>>> B) It was an altercation between two adults > >>>> C) they were both to blame for what happened. > >>>> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or > >>> their > >>>> situation > >>>> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > >>> violence > >>>> at all. > >>>> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > couple's > >>>> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > >>>> > >>>> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were > >>>> probably both very drunk. > >>>> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation > needs > >>> to > >>>> be viewed objectively. > >>>> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > >>>> > >>>> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > happened > >>>> from February to now... > >>>> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their > >>>> life. > >>>> > >>>> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know > >>> better > >>>> to look after her. > >>>> > >>>> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > haven't > >>>> helped her, and they haven't helped him. > >>>> They have destroyed a family. > >>>> > >>>> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out > and > >>> we > >>>> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > >>>> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was > >>> always > >>>> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. > >>>> > >>>> But as of right now? That's not the case. > >>>> > >>>> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > giving > >>>> you > >>>>> to much credit. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > would > >>>>> ever consider. > >>>>> > >>>>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > >>> thread > >>>>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > >>>>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. > It > >>>> just > >>>>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > >>>>> apparently, I am not the only one. > >>>>> > >>>>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > >>> being > >>>>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > >>>> danger. > >>>>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as > >>> the > >>>>> victim? > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > >>>>>> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take > responsibility > >>>> for > >>>>>> their actions, and know right from wrong? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > >>>>>> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, > >>> and > >>>>> they > >>>>>> had a stronger case against him. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later > >>>>> dropped. > >>>>>>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you > >>> guys > >>>>>> think > >>>>>>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372319 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
