In the Cleveland case for instance, over 90% of the private schools
accepting vouchers are nonsecular. Its a pretty good bet then that they are
religious schools.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephenie Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:20 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Bow to me. Bow to each other. At the ready ...
> 
> 
> Why does everyone keep assuming that private schools are going to be
> religious? There are schools out there that are private and 
> have nothing
> to do with religion.
> 
> ~~
> Stephenie 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:10 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Bow to me. Bow to each other. At the ready ...
> 
> 
> Must be nice to be rich Jon. Vouchers are just a back handed way to
> subsidize religious schools whose educational quality, with a few
> exceptions, are not all that great.
> 
> Private schools do not have to take in all children. Public 
> schools do.
> Right now if a child is in need of special ed, there are very few
> private schools that are willing to accept that kid. So much for a
> choice.
> 
> If private schools want government funding then they should have to
> operate under the same rules. Otherwise no money should be going to
> support private schools.
> 
> larry
> 
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> EBStor.com
> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> tel:   (703) 393-7930
> fax:   (703) 393-2659
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> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 3:05 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Bow to me. Bow to each other. At the ready ...
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Really, and if there isn't a choice between private
> > schools. For example
> > the
> > > vast majority of the private schools receiving vouchers in
> > Cleveland were
> > > religious institutions. To me that still violates the 
> establishment
> > clause.
> > > Additionally secular private schools charge far above what
> > the vouchers
> > pay
> > > for. The rest have to come out of the parents pockets. Some
> > choice. So far
> > > the program seems to be an attempt to publicly subsidize
> > private religious
> > > education.
> > 
> > I say let the parents decide where to send their kids. If 
> they think 
> > religion is more important to their kids future career than 
> some other
> 
> > discipline, let them reap what they sow.
> > 
> > 
> > > Secondly, if private schools were to operate under the
> > exact same rules as
> > > the public schools do, or at the very least in terms of
> > accepting all
> > > children regardless of handicap etc. then their performance
> > would be very
> > > close to public schools. for instance I did an analysis in
> > grad school of
> > > differences between public and private schools in term of 
> academic 
> > > performance on the NORC data. When controlling for parental
> > involvement,
> > all
> > > differences between public and private schools disappeared
> > in terms of
> > > academic achievement. In other words it is other factors
> > rather than the
> > > myth that private schools are intrinsically better that 
> account for
> > improved
> > > school performance.
> > 
> > That just it! They do not have to operate under the same
> > exact rules. They
> > can even impose entrance tests to keep out the morons.
> > 
> > > As for the system being broken, that's another myth that's
> > been foisted on
> > > the public by politicians. While the US in not at the top
> > in k-12, it is
> > > certainly not at the bottom, (those countries without a
> > public school
> > system
> > > seem to be over represented at the bottom of the list).
> > Moreover this
> > > country has made some very notable improvements over the
> > last 20 years.
> > 
> >  When was the last time you were in a high school? It wasn't
> > too long ago
> > that I was a high school student, and I can tell you, very 
> > little actual
> > learning goes on in school these days.
> > 
> > jon
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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