The states al have different gun laws. So while the gun may be illegal in Maryland, it may not be in Virginia. That is one of the things that makes the debate more difficult.
-----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:will@;hothorse.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:52 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest OK...well, I bow to your obviously superior knowledge about firearms. I'm not sure what difference it makes though. But surely your last point just underlines what I'm saying about stricter gun laws, if you are suggesting this could be a legally owned weapon, which incidentally contradicts your earlier point. Out of interest, in this context, what are we defining as a legally or illegally owned weapons, as I am unfamiliar with the intricacies of gun law in different states in the US? w -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Heald [mailto:healdt@;dsmail.state.gov] Sent: 22 October 2002 13:42 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest Actually Will, being pretty experienced I can tell you that there is little difference. In many cases they are the very same rifle. The round this current "Sniper" (I have a problem calling anyone taking body shots at 150 meters a sniper) is using is a 5.56 mm (.223 cal.). This is only a medium round lighter than a 7.62 that is standard in the Army for snipers, and much lighter than the 30-06 that was the mainstay of the original crop of Marine snipers that brought the skill back to the modern battlefield. The .223 is a very common round. It is the main round of the US Army, and many hunting rifles are chambered in it. It is cheap and can be bought in bulk. Basically this is probably a hunting rifle or an AR-15 (civilian version of an M-16). Could be a lot of completely legal single shot or bolt action rifles that were designed for hunting or sport shooting. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:will@;hothorse.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:28 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest well, not being an expert I couldn't say for sure, but I would guess one the main differences would be range and accuracy. Also, presumably a sniper rifle is designed specifically to kill people. Not sure what you are getting at. w -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Heald [mailto:healdt@;dsmail.state.gov] Sent: 22 October 2002 13:23 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest Will, If you would, please tell me the difference between a high powered sniper rifle and a normal hunting rifle? Tim -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:will@;hothorse.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:09 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest The toughest gun laws are surely those which prohibit all ownership of guns? We are fortunate enough over here to have such gun laws, which were tightened even further after Dunblane, where the protagonist was a member of a gun club. The result is we haven't had another similar situation in this country since. Although gun crime is on the increase over here, you are still very unlikely to be mugged at gun point for example. It just seems common sense to me that less guns in circulation means less gun crime. As for this sniper, I think it would be very difficult for someone to actually get hold of a high powered sniper rifle over here illegally, because of our strict gun laws, and therefore much less likely that such a thing would happen. Has the argument over gun law come up as a result of this sniper over there? Will -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Heald [mailto:healdt@;dsmail.state.gov] Sent: 22 October 2002 12:48 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest No. He is committing murder which in and of itself is a crime. Using firearms during the commission of a crime is a crime. Possession of a gun by many people is a crime. Maryland has some of the toughest gun laws around, so this gun is probably already illegal. So no. I don't think more gun law would have stopped this at all. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Will Swain [mailto:will@;hothorse.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:37 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest Is it possible that if you weren't allowed to own guns, this might not have happened? w -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Heald [mailto:healdt@;dsmail.state.gov] Sent: 22 October 2002 12:15 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest Latest shooting is about 2 miles up the road from me. The place I am staying right now was close to all of the original 4 or 5 shootings. Pretty freaky. I had really hoped the arrests yesterday were pertinent. Oh well. I am just pissed because my son isn't going to have a real Halloween. I mean I think about all the kids (especially seniors trying to get into university) who loose their sports and other extra curricular activities. All the over time the police are putting in, all the extra traffic and hassle. I board at the Glenmont station to ride the metro to work. As I was pulling in this morning a virtual army of patrol cars and such went screaming by. I am so sick of this. One person in the right place and time and all this goes away. I hope they catch this guy soon, and I hope he makes it nice and easy and tries to fight arrest. Sniper my ass. Ask me again why I think private citizens should be able to carry guns. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:mark.smyth@;systemsunion.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:12 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest what a welcome to america :) -----Original Message----- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:llyons@;ebstor.com] Sent: 22 October 2002 02:46 To: CF-Community Subject: Possible Sniper Arrest Unfortunately the arrested turned out to be a couple of Guatemalan migrant workers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58747-2002Oct21.html> larry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
