Just because it's part of the Constitution does not mean that it's 
right.  After all, the Constitution is a living document and must change 
as time goes by.  Over 200 years have passed and I certainly don't have 
the same fears of the government now as the authors of the Constitution 
had then.  Maybe it's time for a new amendment.

Timothy Heald wrote:

>Beyond all of the "feelings" based debate, we in the US have an amendment.  The text 
>of which is:
>
>"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." 
>   
>Now this mentions both the state and the people, therefore there is debate over whose 
>right this is speaking of.  But follow the structure of the sentence and I think it 
>is plain.
>
>Justification = A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free 
>State
>
>The right = the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
>
>Pretty basic if you ask me.  We have stretched the first amendment to say that a 
>crucifix in urine is an expression of free speech, yet we cannot allow the citizens 
>of America to be secure in the right to defend themselves.
>
>I mean if you read the writings of the times, especially Thomas Jefferson, who wrote 
>the document, you will see that the founding fathers were very much for the populace 
>owning military style weapons.  There was even a point in our history where such was 
>required by law (a rifle, 100 rounds and a backpack).
>
>As such, I cannot agree with any gun legislation (even that which already exists) 
>without a constitutional amendment that over rides the 2nd.  I follow the law, I just 
>don't support it.
>
>Tim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick McClure [mailto:cf-lists@;king-nacho.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:07 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest
>
>
>You people are weird? ;)
>
>Or maybe we are the weird ones. If you look at the gun related crime in
>this country, there are usually other crimes. The gun makes it faster
>and easier for the criminal.
>
>Look at the stats for Homicide in 1999:
>Handguns - 7950
>Other Guns - 2168
>Knives - 2049
>Other - 2546
>Blunt Objects - 903
>(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm)
>
>I can't find stats on the mitigating factors of the crime, but it does
>show that gun use is high among the younger generation.
> 
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Will Swain [mailto:will@;hothorse.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:33 AM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest
>>
>>"As to the victims, think about it from a criminal mind.  If a law
>>    
>>
>were
>  
>
>>passed making weapon ownership illegal, then you know there is a much
>>lower chance of retaliation for things like break-ins or hold-ups.
>>    
>>
>More
>  
>
>>violent crimes such as assault, rape and kidnappings probably would
>>    
>>
>not
>  
>
>>be affected, but if there is a known reduction in resistance what is
>>    
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>to
>  
>
>>stop an increase in crime?"
>>
>>But that just isn't the case here. Infact, we have less violent crime.
>>    
>>
>How
>  
>
>>do you explain that?
>>
>>w
>>    
>>
>
>
>
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