Yeah, unfortunately nowadays everything is a Dem/Rep issue split right down the middle.
Kevin Schmidt wrote: >Good luck getting 2/3 of the states to ratify it. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marlon Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:42 AM >Subject: Re: Possible Sniper Arrest > > > > >>Just because it's part of the Constitution does not mean that it's >>right. After all, the Constitution is a living document and must change >>as time goes by. Over 200 years have passed and I certainly don't have >>the same fears of the government now as the authors of the Constitution >>had then. Maybe it's time for a new amendment. >> >>Timothy Heald wrote: >> >> >> >>>Beyond all of the "feelings" based debate, we in the US have an >>> >>> >amendment. The text of which is: > > >>>"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free >>> >>> >State, > > >>>the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." >>> >>>Now this mentions both the state and the people, therefore there is >>> >>> >debate over whose right this is speaking of. But follow the structure of >the sentence and I think it is plain. > > >>>Justification = A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security >>> >>> >of a free State > > >>>The right = the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be >>> >>> >infringed. > > >>>Pretty basic if you ask me. We have stretched the first amendment to say >>> >>> >that a crucifix in urine is an expression of free speech, yet we cannot >allow the citizens of America to be secure in the right to defend >themselves. > > >>>I mean if you read the writings of the times, especially Thomas >>> >>> >Jefferson, who wrote the document, you will see that the founding fathers >were very much for the populace owning military style weapons. There was >even a point in our history where such was required by law (a rifle, 100 >rounds and a backpack). > > >>>As such, I cannot agree with any gun legislation (even that which already >>> >>> >exists) without a constitutional amendment that over rides the 2nd. I >follow the law, I just don't support it. > > >>>Tim >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Nick McClure [mailto:cf-lists@;king-nacho.com] >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:07 AM >>>To: CF-Community >>>Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest >>> >>> >>>You people are weird? ;) >>> >>>Or maybe we are the weird ones. If you look at the gun related crime in >>>this country, there are usually other crimes. The gun makes it faster >>>and easier for the criminal. >>> >>>Look at the stats for Homicide in 1999: >>>Handguns - 7950 >>>Other Guns - 2168 >>>Knives - 2049 >>>Other - 2546 >>>Blunt Objects - 903 >>>(http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm) >>> >>>I can't find stats on the mitigating factors of the crime, but it does >>>show that gun use is high among the younger generation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Will Swain [mailto:will@;hothorse.com] >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:33 AM >>>>To: CF-Community >>>>Subject: RE: Possible Sniper Arrest >>>> >>>>"As to the victims, think about it from a criminal mind. If a law >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>were >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>passed making weapon ownership illegal, then you know there is a much >>>>lower chance of retaliation for things like break-ins or hold-ups. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>More >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>violent crimes such as assault, rape and kidnappings probably would >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>not >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>be affected, but if there is a known reduction in resistance what is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>to >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>stop an increase in crime?" >>>> >>>>But that just isn't the case here. Infact, we have less violent crime. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>How >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>do you explain that? >>>> >>>>w >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
