Yes, guns are tools. They are tools used by both the good guys and the bad
guys. If guns are so evil, why do cops carry them?

  Here in Florida, concealed carry of a firearm is legal with a license.
When the law was being considered originally, the anti-self defense lobby
(and that's what they are) cried that Florida would become the Gunshine
State as citizens drew down on each other for parking places. That neighbors
would be slaughtering each other over lawn mower noise. The blood would flow
heavy in the streets. It has never materialized. It has never occurred in
any state with concealed carry.

  None of this happened. In fact, the crime rate amongst licensed concealed
carriers is lower per capita than it is with law enforcement officers.
Civilian gun carriers commit less crime than cops. And that includes crimes
not involving guns.

  I respect your hatred for guns, that is your right. Hate is
Constitutionally protected. I hate the fact that it's legal to murder an
unborn child.

  But no one is forcing you to own or carry a gun. And I see no difference
between ballistic fingerprinting and tire tread registration. Absolutely
none. Both are severe violations of our rights. Be grateful that your
driver's license photo is not being used across your state in ciminal
lineups. Be grateful that your face isn't being exposed to a traumatized
rape victim in your town.

  The one thing that has kept this nation from becoming a police state is
the pre-emptive belief that you are not guilty. That the cops can not bother
you without just cause. Cops stopping you on the street asking for your id
when you are not a suspect in a crime is harrassment. A cop, coming to your
door, asking you to produce your gun, and to prove where you were at a
specific date and time is harrassment. It is a basic tenet of a police
state.

  And the difference between driving a car and owning and carrying a gun is
that one is a priviledge and other is a right. I don't need anyones
permission to exercise my rights.

  Have a good weekend Dan.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Haley [mailto:DanH@;telect.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:31 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Michael Moore on Sniper


I hate guns, and from an emotional standpoint I think they should all be
outlawed, but that will never happen due to our
history/geography/lifestyles/etc.  Looking at the issue as objectively as I
can I still haven't decided which side of the fence I fall on.
Unfortunately, like most things, there's rarely a middle ground.  In this
case, I don't think that what you are saying furthers Moore's thoughts.
Yes, cars kill people and are used in crimes.  Yes, criminals wear shoes and
have fingerprints.  The difference, at least in my mind and it may be (ha!)
biased, is that guns have no legitimate purpose in the hands of those
committing the crime.  They are the tool that allows rage to explode into
disaster.  No, guns don't kill people, but they are a tool used by people.
A very efficient tool.  I might decide to put a nail in a piece of wood, but
absent a hammer I'll have to think twice about it.


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