I'm actually here because of 2 things. First, the Tory government (led by
Brian Mulrooney) reduced social sciences funding by per 60%. Well there went
my graduate assistantship at York. I had also applied to a US school, they
were able to offer me the tuition waiver, and assistantship. The second
thing was that I got married while I was down here. That sort of changes
your perspective.

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:10 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Moron?
> 
> 
> Hey man, I lived there.
> 
> Your government works no better than ours.  The "native" 
> issues, health care issues, Quebecois.  You guys still have 
> your share of problems.  You know it's true, or you would 
> have no reason to be here.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:46 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Moron?
> 
> 
> Only in the US. In Canada the government works, mostly.
> 
> larry
> 
> At 07:38 AM 11/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> its a non-partisan, non-political government committee
> >
> >Doesn't that violate the laws of physics?
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:47 PM
> >To: CF-Community
> >Subject: Re: Moron?
> >
> >
> >Kevin,
> >
> >The electoral system in Canada is out of the hands of the political
> >parties, and subject to a crown commission. You  don't have an
> >analogy or similar governmental mechanism in the US so its kind of
> >hard to explain, except to say that its a non-partisan, non-political
> >government committee that decides on the boundaries for the various
> >representative districts, enumerates the voters within those
> >districts and runs the polling places for the elections that take
> >place 6 weeks after the governor general dissolves parliament.  In
> >other words its a very different system from the US.
> >
> >larry
> >
> > >So much for the 2 party system ehh...
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Eric Dawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:10 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > 
> >http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=pol&document=inde
> x&dir=par&lang=
> > >e&textonly=false
> > >>
> > >>  Standing Parties in the House of Commons
> > >>  Liberal
> > >>  Canadian Alliance
> > >>  Bloc QuEbEcois
> > >>  N.D.P.
> > >>  Progressive Conservative
> > >>
> > >>  What is a political party?
> > >>
> > >>  The Act does not attempt to define or describe a 
> political party.
> > >Generally
> > >>  speaking, a political party is a group of people who 
> together establish a
> > >>  constitution, elect a leader and other officers, and 
> endorse candidates
> > >for
> > >>  election to the House of Commons.
> > >>
> > >>  The Act uses the following terms:
> > >>
> > >>  eligible party: a party that has applied for 
> registration under the Act,
> > >but
> > >>  has yet to fulfill some of the conditions to become a 
> registered party
> > >>
> > >>  registered party: a party is registered under the Act 
> if it succeeds in
> > >>  endorsing 50 or more confirmed candidates in a general 
> election and meets
> > >>  certain other conditions
> > >>
> > >>  suspended party: a registered party whose registration 
> has been suspended
> > >>  because it has failed to maintain, at a subsequent election, the
> > >conditions
> > >>  to keep its status as a registered party.
> > >>
> > >>  Registered Political Parties
> > >>  ============================
> > >>  Bloc QuEbEcois
> > >>  Canadian Action Party
> > >>  Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance (Canadian Alliance)
> > >>  Communist Party of Canada
> > >>  Liberal Party of Canada
> > >>  Marijuana Party
> > >>  Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
> > >>  Natural Law Party of Canada
> > >>  New Democratic Party
> > >>  Progressive Conservative Party of Canada
> > >>  The Green Party of Canada
> > >>
> > >>  Eligible Political Party
> > >>  ========================
> > >>  Christian Heritage Party
> > >>  National Alternative Party of Canada
> > >>  The Ontario Party of Canada
> > >>
> > >>  From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>  To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>  Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >>  Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:59:39 -0600
> > >>
> > >>  Ok, post the link.  Objective?  I didn't see any 
> partisan bias on the 
> > page
> > >I
> > >>  sent, only party names addressed and URLs?
> > >>
> > >>  ----- Original Message -----
> > >>  From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>  To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:31 PM
> > >>  Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   > Elections Canada is a much more reliable and 
> objective source.
> > >>   >
> > >>   > larry
> > >>   >
> > >>   > >http://www.altstuff.com/federal.htm
> > >>   > >
> > >>   > >Thats where I got the parties from.
> > >>   > >
> > >>   > >----- Original Message -----
> > >>   > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:24 PM
> > >  >  > >Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > >
> > >  >  > >>  No that was done in the last few federal 
> elections, with 
> > Canadians
> > >  >  > >>  sweeping the Conservative Party under the rug, 
> and letting the
> > >other
> > >>   > >>  parties, ie the National Alliance, humiliate 
> themselves, mind you
> > >>   > >>  Stockton Day was even more clueless than the 
> present nominee 
> > of the
> > >>   > >>  Republican party for the next presidential election.
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  As for the number of political parties, I've 
> always followed the
> > >>   > >>  rules of Parliamentary Procedure for the 
> Canadian House of 
> > Commons,
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  "How to register a political party
> > >  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  Forming a political party and registering a 
> political party are
> > >>   > >>  completely different, in that there is no 
> legislation regulating
> > >the
> > >>   > >>  formation of political parties. However, once a 
> party is formed it
> > >>   > >>  may apply to be registered. After its registration is 
> > approved, the
> > >>   > >>  party will then be governed by rules under the 
> Canada Elections
> > >Act.
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  Applications for registration must be filed with 
> the Chief
> > >Electoral
> > >>   > >>  Officer for verification and approval at least 
> 60 days before the
> > >  >  > >>  writs are issued. Once approved, a party earns 
> the right to be
> > >>   > >>  included in the allocation of broadcasting time, 
> to issue official
> > >>   > >>  tax receipts for donations, and to have its name 
> included on the
> > >>   > >>  election ballot.
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  It is important to note that official 
> registration can take effect
> > >>   > >>  only the day after the new party officially nominates 
> > candidates in
> > >>   > >>  at least 50 electoral districts at a general 
> election. When an
> > >>   > >>  application is filed less than 60 days before 
> the writs are 
> > issued,
> > >>   > >>  registration cannot take effect for that general 
> election.
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  To maintain its registration, a registered 
> political party must
> > >>   > >>  nominate candidates in at least 50 electoral 
> districts at a 
> > general
> > >>   > >>  election. Under the law, failure to do so must result in
> > >>   > >>  deregistration of that party by the Chief 
> Electoral Officer.
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  There were 13 political parties registered 
> before the 36th federal
> > >>   > >>  election was called, and four parties had been 
> accepted for
> > >>   > >>  registration."
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  Not sure where you get 37 parties from. But 
> these are just the
> > >>   > >>  official ones - parties that were able to 
> nomimate people to 
> > run in
> > >>   > >>  at least 50 ridings.
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  larry
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >>  >Ok.  It's secret Candian speak.  He said 
> Liberals, but it was
> > >secret
> > >>  code
> > >>   > >>  >for the Liberal Party.  So, what are the codes 
> for the other
> > >>  "Liberal"
> > >>   > >>  >parties in Canada.  Does Ultra-Liberal mean the 
> New Democratic
> > >>  Party?
> > >>   > >Just
> > >>   > >>  >seems like Larry is trying to bend his words, 
> and restate what
> > >they
> > >>  guy
> > >>   > >said
> > >>   > >>  >to fit his argument.
> > >>   > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >I did some checking and there are about 37 
> different Federtal
> > >>  political
> > >>   > >>  >parties in Canada.  It seems as though there are several
> > >>  Conservative
> > >>   > >>  >parties there...I nosed around a few websites.  
> I liked the
> > >>  Christian
> > >>   > >>  >Heritage party site....of course the Marijuana 
> party website and
> > >>   > >>  >Marxist-Leninist Party website were interesting 
> in their own
> > >right.
> > >>   > >There
> > >>   > >>  >is even a Libertarian party in Canada.  While 
> Liberals (and I
> > >don't
> > >>  mean
> > >>   > >the
> > >>   > >>  >Liberal Party) may be the majority in Canada, I 
> don't think that
> > >you
> > >>  can
> > >>   > >>  >just sweep the conservative parties under the 
> rug as Larry wishes
> > >>  too.
> > >>   > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >----- Original Message -----
> > >>   > >>  >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 4:44 PM
> > >>   > >>  >Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >>   > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  Eric,
> > >>   > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  Its a Canadian thing. He wouldn't understand.
> > >>   > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  And now for the traditional Winnipeg greeting,
> > >>   > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  How 'bout them Bombers eh?
> > >>   > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  larry
> > >>   > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >But I agree with Larry, he said Liberals, 
> and meant the
> > >Liberal
> > >>   > >Party.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >e
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >  > >>  >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>   > >>  >>  >To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >>   > >>  >>  >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:47:26 -0600
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >Doesn't sound like he is referring to the 
> "Liberal Party"  is
> > >he
> > >>  were
> > >>   > >you
> > >>   > >>  >>  >think he would have said "the Liberal 
> Party", not Liberals.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >----- Original Message -----
> > >  >  > >>  >>  >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:21 AM
> > >>   > >>  >>  >Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > He was referring to the LIberal Party. 
> He was doing his
> > >job
> > >>  as
> > >>   > >>  >  > >  > Foreign Relations minister (placating 
> the US), and he is
> > >>  also
> > >>   > >running
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > in the forthcoming leadership election. 
>  It doesn't
> > >>  invalidate
> > >>   > >what
> > >  >  > >>  >>  >  > I've been saying.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > larry
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >54po0rfff2vb23Larry,
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >I guess the whole country tilts to the 
> left.  So I shall
> > >>  say
> > >>  she
> > >>   > >is
> > >>   > >>  >a
> > >>   > >>  >>  >member
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >of "a" left wing party.  Doesn't 
> matter how left they
> > >are,
> > >>  or it
> > >>   > >>  >they
> > >>   > >>  >>  >are
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >the most or least left.  My statement that she 
> > belongs to
> > >>  the
> > >>   > >>  >liberal
> > >>   > >>  >>  >left
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >is accurate.  I based my statement off 
> of one of the 
> > many
> > >>   > >articles
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >avaialable on the Toronto Star.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>From the Toronto Star:
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >"Earlier Friday, Foreign Affairs 
> Minister Bill Graham
> > >said
> > >>  the
> > >>   > >>  >reported
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >remarks won't sour Canada-U.S. relations."
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >"Graham said he "didn't accept the 
> premise" that the
> > >>   > >relationship
> > >>   > >>  >has
> > >>   > >>  >  > >  > >worsened significantly under a perception of
> > >>  anti-Americanism
> > >>   > >among
> > >>   > >>  >some
> > >>   > >>  >  > >  > >Liberals."
> > >>   > >>  >  > >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >  > >  > >So obviously there are people there 
> who are not liberal
> > >>   > >otherwise he
> > >>   > >>  >>  >would
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >have substituted Canadians instead of liberals.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >----- Original Message -----
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >To: "CF-Community" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:13 PM
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >Subject: Re: Moron?
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  ROFL!
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  You may want to check on the name 
> of the Party, its
> > >>  called
> > >>   > >the
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  Liberal Party. Its a center 
> moderate party. The left
> > >>  wing
> > >>  in
> > >>   > >>  >Canada
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  is the New Democratic Party.  The 
> right wing is
> > >>  represented
> > >>   > >by
> > >>   > >>  >the
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  National Alliance party (and the 
> remnants of the
> > >>  Progressive
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  Conservative party). All over the 
> place is the Bloc
> > >>   > >Quebecois.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  You need to get the facts correct. 
> The LIberals are
> > >>  middle of
> > >>   > >the
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  road, more like Democrats yes, but 
> by no means what
> > >you
> > >>  would
> > >>   > >>  >call
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  liberal, to Canadians. Mind you 
> compared to most
> > >>  political
> > >>   > >>  >attitudes
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  in the US, the National Alliance 
> Party is more 
> > akin to
> > >>  the
> > >>   > >>  >Democrats.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  The only groups that are akin to American
> > >conservatives
> > >>  are
> > >>   > >>  >generally
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  considered to be on the far right 
> fringe in Canada.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  Another case of Prime Minister 
> Poutine again I guess.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  larry
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >Larry,
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >You should mention Canadian "Liberal" 
> > perceptiveness.
> > >>  After
> > >>   > >all
> > >>   > >>  >he
> > >>   > >>  >>  >is a
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >member of the left wing party in 
> Canada.  There was
> > >>  outrage
> > >>   > >>  >>  >expressed
> > >>   > >>  >>  >by
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >the
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >right in Canada.  Nothing more 
> than politics.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >----- Original Message -----
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >  >  > >>  >>  >  > >>  >To: "CF-Community" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:56 PM
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >Subject: RE: Moron?
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  just typical Canadian 
> perceptiveness. The aide
> > >will
> > >>   > >probably
> > >>   > >>  >>  >resign or
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >be
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  fired, but probably will be 
> rehired in a short
> > >>  while,
> > >>   > >since
> > >>   > >>  >he
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >probably
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  looks like a hero to many 
> Canadians. Bush is not
> > >at
> > >>  all
> > >>   > >>  >popular
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >outside of
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  the US.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  Besides if the US wants to 
> complain, then the 
> > Bush
> > >>   > >>  >administration
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >should
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  clean up its own house first.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  larry
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  --
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  Larry C. Lyons
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 
> Developer
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  EBStor.com
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  Chaos, panic, and disorder - my 
> work here is 
> > done.
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  --
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > -----Original Message-----
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > From: Ben Braver 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > Sent: Friday, November 22, 
> 2002 1:38 PM
> > >>   > >>  >  > >  > >>  >>  > To: CF-Community
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > Subject: Moron?
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > Senior aide to Canadian P.M. 
> reportedly called
> > >>  Dubya a
> > >>   > >>  >"moron".
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q1B053882
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  > -Ben
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >>
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  > >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>  >
> > >>   > >>  >>
> > >>   > >>  >
> > >>   > >>
> > >>   > >
> > >>   >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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