Golf clap.

While I would never criticize a president in wartime, we have: 

1) Koreans intercepting our planes in international waters, building nuclear
weapons, and threatening total war
2) Al Queda terrorists on the loose, organizing new attacks, and presenting
a real threat to Americans
3) No funding in the Federal budget for an actual war (this would fall under
the umbrella of discrectionary spending, which will result in tremendous
debt)
4) Decreased chances of capturing the very arms we intend to stop as a
result of months and months of showing our hand
5) An almost universal lack of international support, which can have serious
consequences in terms of commerce, 

And... Saddam has been contained successfully since the last Gulf War
primarily through international pressure. Despite all the bad things about
him, he hasn't invaded another country or killed a single American, AFAIK.

It's like America is fixated on a burning barrel while the city burns.

I would love to see the man go away, I am not certain I care where, but
there are other real issues affecting us that need to be addressed.

You know what I think of when I think about war in Iraq? Frederick the
Great, who conquered armies without firing a bullet. It is still possible
that Saddam could be removed without having to send in the troops, a number
of Arab countries have come out against him. Perhaps he will accept a
graceful exit someday...

Of course, Frederick met a poor end himself. Blah.

My views have nothing to do with those of the administration or the federal
government.

M

-----Original Message-----
From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Personal Stance Change for Iraq Policy


I'm tired of having to keep getting up from under my desk. <moves keboard
and monitor to under desk>

That's better.

I have come to the realization that we should no attack Iraq unless they do
any of the following: 1. They attack US troops or US soil. 2. They invade a
neighbor and the neighbor asks for our help.

If the people of Iraq are content to allow themselves to be subjected to
tyrannic rule by a despot, then who are we to want to change that? There are
plenty of other dictatorships around the world that we could just as easly
be focused on. I am not a peacemonger by any means, nor do I love Saddam. I
think he is a sick, mongrelized, shit spouting, arrogant, murdering, vain,
psychotic piece of monkey shit, but so are alot of other leaders around the
world. 

I think the United States should not be in the game of being the worlds
police force. If the international community comes to a concensus that we
need to act, then the US should help. We should not bear the full burden
financially or militarily.

Just my piece.

John


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