Hey, we could have hybrid methane cars -
partly powered by humans !!
Get better gas mileage - eat beans !!
<g>



At 10:21 AM 3/13/03 -0500, you wrote:
>There is another alternative that no one has mentioned, methane gas. Its 
>much easier to produce - think landfills, sewage treatment plants and 
>livestock. Methane is also much easier to transport and store than 
>hydrogen. The emissions are very similar to hydrogen, just some water, with 
>a bit of extra carbon dioxide. The CO2 can be scavenged and reprocessed 
>however.
>
>What's even better is that from what I understand, currently running 
>vehicles can run on methane just by modifying the carburetor.
>
>larry
>
>At 09:55 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>The main reasons the cars are so expensive at this point is that no
>>economies of production have been realized through standardization of
>>delivery, either of the cars, the fuel, the production process, etc.
>>
>>The article I linked to originally explains a lot of the homework that needs
>>to be done before such a thing could become a reality. At this point, no one
>>can agree what the best way to deliver hydrogen fuel would be, as a gas, as
>>liquid, or soaked up in a fibrous material (think sponge instead of gas
>>tank). The ones used in LA take advantage of the later option.
>>
>>The thing that I find most exciting about this, and what really makes
>>hydrogen a value proposition to US energy companies, is that it is so cheap
>>to produce given our current capacity for refining hydrogen. The US would
>>have a huge first to market advantage if this would ever become a reality.
>>An economist explained to me that the US economy works by keeping our
>>outside GDP spending ratio at about 3%, which is ridiculous by world
>>standards. A serious hydrogen effort could cut that down even further...
>>
>>Remember th Kyoto treaty everyone was complaining about? In a hydrogen
>>would, it would be a moot point.
>>
>>M
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:21 AM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: Hydrogen
>>
>>
>>The main reason is cost.  Hydrogen cars are expensive.  No one wants to pay
>>for them.  Of course the reponse will be, if they make more, they won't be
>>as expensive.  Yes, that's true, but if no one buys them, it's still doesn't
>>matter.  Of course, give them tax rebates.  Yes, good idea.  So now they are
>>making more Hydrogen cars, giving rebates, I buy one!  Yay!  Oh, uh, where
>>is the nearest Hyrdogen station?  I'm in the middle of Nebraska?  Well,
>>better start pushing.
>>
>>There is more to Hydrogen cars, than just the cars themselves.  There is no
>>infrastructure to support refueling.  The amount of time and effor and money
>>it will take to upgrade these gas stations makes it a long term deal, not
>>just something where tomorrow the government can say everyone must have a
>>Hydrogen car.
>>
>>
>
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