ok, that's a pretty good summary. I hadn't realized the failure to act was due to France's threatened veto. Hmm.
Ben Braver writes: > Dana- > > Umm, I think you really missed something. > > In Resolution 1441, the UNSC (Security Council) voted _unanimously_ (15-0) > to require Iraq to completely disarm its WMD or face "serious consequences". > > Inspection teams from UN and IAEA were sent in to search. > Initially, the teams got very little cooperation. > Over time, Iraq began gradually giving them more access, still not what was > required. > > The U.S. complained that Iraq was not meeting the terms of the resolution. > Several members, notably France and Russia, wanted to give Iraq more time > and send in more inspectors. > The U.S. said this would just allow Iraq to continue dragging its feet, > with no "serious consequences". > > France and Russia have lucrative oil production contracts with Iraq, but > the contracts are suspended while there are U.N. sanctions. > If the sanctions were lifted, then France and Russia could make a lot of > money. > If the sanctions continue, or there is a regime change in Baghdad, then > France and Russia lose out. > > The U.N. did _not_ "vote AGAINST this". > The U.S. sought a second resolution clarifying the vague language in 1441, > and specifically authorizing force. > France refused, saying it would veto any such second resolution. > The U.S. then said that it was entitled to act under the existing > resolution 1441. > > -Ben > > > At 02:17 AM 3/22/03 +0000, you wrote: > >maybe I missed something but didnt the UN voted AGAINST this? > > > >Ben Braver writes: > > > >> Continuing the metaphor, how 'bout when the police have a warrant to arrest > >> someone for a felony, and some of the officers say they need time to gather > >> more evidence? > >> > >> At 02:33 PM 3/21/03 +0000, you wrote: > >> >The UNSC is the police in that metaphor, and in a way that's exactly > >> >what they are supposed to be. > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: 21 March 2003 14:26 > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >Since when are we the police? > >> > > >> >Not that I'm taking Saddam's side, that's just a bad metaphor. > >> > > >> >M > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 5:01 AM > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >I can't believe what I'm reading, do you seriously mean that or are you > >> >winding me up????? > >> > > >> >If you're holding a gun and waving it about, and some big police man > >> >tells you to put it down while pointing his bigger gun at you, do you > >> >keep hold of your gun so you can fight back? Or do you do as you're told > >> >and put it down? Anyone with any sense puts his gun down right? > >> > > >> >Scuds are banned under several UNSC resolutions, he said he'd destroyed > >> >them and didn't have any left etc etc, clearly that's utter bs as he's > >> >fired around 10 into Kuwait in the last few days. If he's lied about > >> >Scuds, what else is he lying about? Probably an awful lot, and you see > >> >that as 'Hardly likely to be a big problem', wtf??? Are you on crack > >> >this morning Will? > >> > > >> >Don't get me wrong, war is horrific and I'm seriously concerned about > >> >the timing of the action, perhaps in a few months after the weapons > >> >inspectors realised for sure that Saddam was lying, the whole > >> >international community would have been behind it, but there is no doubt > >> >in my mind that sooner or later this was necessary. > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: 21 March 2003 09:42 > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >Not really. I find it incredible that anyone seriously thought he would > >> >disarm. Would you, with an aggresive force sitting on your doorstep? > >> >That's like saying, how far do you want me to bend over. > >> > > >> >So he has a few scuds? Hardly likely to be a big problem, and lets be > >> >honest, if we weren't invading him we'd never know about them..... > >> > > >> >will > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: 21 March 2003 09:34 > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >Hmm, that wasn't the point was it? > >> > > >> >Point is, he's using weapons only hours bfore he swore he didn't have, > >> >extra proof of what kind of man he is, or was (hopefully), and of why he > >> >needs to be dealt with. > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: 21 March 2003 09:32 > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >Nope....you don't kick a dog and then complain when it bites you. > >> > > >> >will > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: 21 March 2003 09:09 > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: RE: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >Has your opinion now changed at all since Saddam has used 'banned' scud > >> >missiles that he promised he didn't have? > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Stephen Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Sent: 21 March 2003 02:27 > >> >To: CF-Community > >> >Subject: Re: Prime Minister's Address to the Nation... > >> > > >> > > >> >Candace, et al. > >> > > >> >Our Prime Minister is a horrible, xenophobic man whose driving policy > >> >dictate is to be as sycophantic as possible to his masters in the White > >> >House. Popular support for a war on Iraq without explicit, non-vetoed UN > >> >approval is virtually non-existent here, and through his actions, PM > >> >Howard has made Australia an aggressor rogue state, and therefore no > >> >better than the despotic regime in Iraq itself. Today, I am ashamed to > >> >be an Australian. I am ashamed for Australia, the US and the UK. I can > >> >only hope that the full force of UN sanctions and International Criminal > >> >Court charges are brought heavily upon those in power here and in other > >> >countries who are a part of the so-called "coalition of the willing". > >> > > >> >Not this war > >> >Not in my name > >> >Not without UNSC approval > >> > > >> >Steve Collins (www.stephencollins.org) > >> >-- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
